Dark days of Tom Sawyer

[fabosch]

Сообщение от tandem

Books of Yesterday, Today and tomorrow are and will be the main source of information, no matter what way the information will reach out to people. The basis of all digital libraries regardless of format, are the repository of books - the primary sources.
This "distinguished scholar on the works of Mark Twain's" Alan Gribben konyukturschik vulgar, not to say durak.Podobnyh it was set in the USSR. They alter, according to the current time of Pushkin, Tolstoy, Gogol, encyclopedic, scientific literature. The scientific work of the mammoths vstalyalis head-to mammoths of historical materialism, mammoths in the light of the teachings .... Soviet mammoths - the happiest in the world! This anecdote, but at the same time - laughter through tears. After such a way emasculated the basic idea laid avtorom.Poetomu today are so expensive books prerevolutionary publications, including works by the classics of Marxism-lenininizma.Knigi still in print and thanks to modern methods to deliver information, deshevok becoming less - book again becomes valuable and not waste paper. Not translated artists illustrators, graphic designers. I would say about Renaissance books and not about her death.

I think your forecast is too optimistic. We must face the truth. First, the interest in reading as such falls off rapidly. It replaces the "box" and the Internet. It is an objective process and it does not stop. Second, whole sections of the book industry in the foreseeable future in paper form will simply disappear, such as reference books, textbooks, dictionaries. Clearly, what happens more explicit separation of publishing on the mass reading and collection-souvenir-gift area. And these trends are permanently and seriously, no matter how sad it is to recognize

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от tandem; 1467211"

book again becomes a value and not waste paper. Not translated artists illustrators, graphic designers. I would say about Renaissance books and not about her death.

I think that the book in the foreseeable future will go to the elite price segment. Already popular books are for 400-600 rubles. Elegantly published - already 800-1200. Count on the massive demand for such pricing is not necessary. At these prices iPad quickly bounces. And electronic distribution of books grows stronger in her eyes.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Sergei burly, 1466431

Replacement for Tom Sawyer, of course, unpleasant.

But out of life.
In our house on the first floor of the exchange point - people leave
unnecessary things.
In recent years - a lot of books.
Picked up where Jonathan Swift, A collection of science fiction (Bradbury,
Simak, Asimov, Shackley), Winnie the Pooh.
At any Updike does not even look.

The word "nigger" from the book thrown? And what is the "book"?

You become a collector of books. Congratulations. I also accidentally found the houses to be scrapped and just ejected a lot of books and collected a good library, almost all of what I wanted. It got to that was to take only the first edition or subscription by the author.
Read the book safe and pleasant. Better than any movie. Ayped is the quickest way to spoil the view, and yet the most expensive. I'm not talking about the emissions, which are particularly enjoyable.
In addition to all books becoming more expensive and very strong.

[Grigory]

Сообщение от "Pavel

Ayped is the quickest way to spoil the view, and yet the most expensive.
I'm not talking about the emissions, which are particularly pleasing.

Pavel, not confused you iPad with a CRT TV?

What is radiation??

And the font size you can choose any!

[Allena]

Сообщение от fabosch; 1467251"

Second, whole sections of the book industry in the foreseeable future in paper form will simply disappear, such as reference books, textbooks, dictionaries. Clearly, what happens more explicit separation of publishing on the mass reading and collection-souvenir-gift area.

Forecast duo, in my opinion, is optimistic, but not too much. In any case (oh, I'm a romantic optimist ), hope and sincerely believe that it is justified, if not in whole, but must be justified.

But with you, a colleague of fabosch, I want to podiskutirovat "First, about the extinction in the foreseeable future reference literature. To do this, do not bring the Lord happened to need, in my opinion, at least three reasons:
1. Complete and absolute access to network resources of those who use reference books.
2. Ability of these users navigate the web so that the use of reference resources.
3. The quality of most of these resources should be a minimum of not less than printed dictionaries of pre-perestroika (and preferably before the revolution) time, ie several orders of magnitude better than what currently is on the web. Bugs and glitches too, need to be deleted. And it requires the appropriate people, money, etc., etc. And this, the third reason - the most important. In short, it may be, will happen, but not before changing 2-3 generations.

And what about separation of publications also do not agree with you, colleague. Which section include classical literature - Pushkin, Tolstoy, Chekhov, etc. - What is read, read and will read all the educated people. A book for children - where?

And as an example: the holidays gave a friend of our family (of internet is absolutely the person who finds and pumps out the most incredible things) a book on the subject, which he is very interested. Expanding the package, he began somnambular mumble something about the fact that he already downloaded it, then lost to us all, and all interest and sat with a book in the hands of the whole evening without paying attention to the present

[fabosch]

Сообщение от Allena

But with you, a colleague of fabosch, I want to podiskutirovat "First, about the extinction in the foreseeable future reference literature. To do this, do not bring the Lord happened to need, in my opinion, at least three reasons: 1. Complete and absolute access to network resources of those who use reference books. 2. Ability of these users navigate the web so that the use of reference resources. 3. The quality of most of these resources should be a minimum of not less than printed dictionaries of pre-perestroika (and preferably before the revolution) time, ie several orders of magnitude better than what currently is on the web. Bugs and glitches too, need to be deleted. And it requires the appropriate people, money, etc., etc. And this, the third reason - the most important. In short, it may be, will happen, but not before changing 2-3 generations.

I'm thinking, dear Allena, you make the same mistake, which I always find myself. The speed of change in IT is enormous. You think that was 15-20 years ago, what was the level of computerization, who were then cell phones. Therefore, the first two reasons I can not accept - do not agree. As for the third - will agree that this is the most important. This is generally the biggest disaster the Internet - the unreliability of specifics. Everything has to recheck all possible ways. But, by the way, for 90%of users (if not more) of the Internet - it's what they want, then there is a simple reference surface at the 5 th grade middle school. Else you need so little boring for which it is important to what style the date of birth, or what technique holds this image. But even here, I think it's just a matter of quick and accurate translation of paper to e-format. Technical question and, in principle solvable. I still think faster than we can imagine. And the books are already many are beginning to prepare in parallel in two formats, not yet even using the capabilities of digital technologies, and just stupidly translating the book into electronic format. But electronic form provides such opportunities, which did not dream on paper.

Сообщение от Allena

As for the bundle of publications also do not agree with you, colleague. Which section include classical literature - Pushkin, Tolstoy, Chekhov, etc. - What is read, read and will read all the educated people. A book for children - where?

I think the classics, and indeed all fiction is mainly to exist in e-format. Paper market fiction, it seems to me, very cringe.
What about children's literature - I think it is in large part remain in paper form, especially for preschoolers.

[Allena]

Сообщение от fabosch

speed of change in IT is enormous. You think that was 15-20 years ago, what was the level of computerization, who were then cell phones

Moreover, these changes affect all areas of society, and Maxim Krongaus (and I agree with him) said that in 20 years the language has gone, who in normal circumstances would require from him 200 years of development. All true.

By the way, cell phones - a product of mass consumption, and dictionaries and reference books - no. Therefore, no matter how developed IT, the book they will not replace ever!

Сообщение от fabosch; 1467371"

So the first two reasons I can not accept - do not agree.

 And yet they, in my opinion there, but for the moment when the light, but, alas, in the distant future will be fully solved problem number 3, probably solved these problems.

Сообщение от fabosch; 1467371"

classic, and indeed all fiction is mainly to exist in e-format

Try to buy in book form a completely new edition, which is on the heap of sites in the network. I've been recently undertook searches of the book in 2007 (not even know what it was a reprint of the account) - all cursed, found a million sites where you can download it, but the book itself in the sale are not found. And how many of these books had to download from the Internet, because the print runs were sold in a month or two ... I think that everyone has his own bitter memories <!--~ 1 "-" on this score is.

In addition, there is a problem with the book - those nuances, which you mentioned above. That which gives a minimum content (TOC) and a maximum of finding aids. Internet publications contain this information, but it is inconvenient to use because of internet issues its own laws.

[тандем]

Сообщение от fabosch

I think your forecast is too optimistic. We must face the truth. First, the interest in reading as such falls off rapidly. It replaces the "box" and the Internet. It is an objective process and it does not stop. Second, whole sections of the book industry in the foreseeable future in paper form will simply disappear, such as reference books, textbooks, dictionaries. Clearly, what happens more explicit separation of publishing on the mass reading and collection-souvenir-gift area. And these trends are permanently and seriously, no matter how sad it is to recognize
         

What can we look to the "box" than the live football or other sporting events? Set broadcast "heads prof.Douelya" accompanied downloaded from Ineta commercials? Vinaigrette-muz.shou of Kirkorov and glamorous crotch diluted Cop series? The same schizophrenia in pure vide.Chto can replace a book that can be accessed at any moment. Internet? This huge reference book informatsii.Nepravdivoy untrue, because its no edits - it is so, the network is constructed, the valuable and in some way.

Сообщение от Vladimir

I think that the book in the foreseeable future will go to the elite price segment. Already popular books are for 400-600 rubles. Elegantly published - already 800-1200. Count on the massive demand for such pricing is not necessary. At these prices iPad quickly bounces. And electronic distribution of books grows stronger in her eyes.

Is it expensive? Sopostavte so much as paying for temporary filling of the refrigerator.
 That he was dying, and may already have died since the newspapers and magazines. That's where the trash in a clean vide.Ih not save anything - no girls topless on the cover, nor a Cabinet .... They lost this match to their electronic counterparts.

[fabosch]

Сообщение от tandem

What you can look in the "box" than the live football or other sporting events? Set broadcast "heads prof.Douelya" accompanied downloaded from Ineta commercials? Vinaigrette-muz.shou of Kirkorov and glamorous crotch diluted Cop series? The same schizophrenia in pure vide.Chto can replace a book that can be accessed at any moment. Internet? This huge reference book informatsii.Nepravdivoy untrue, because its no edits - it is so, the network is constructed, the valuable and in some way.

We talked about various things. I do not discuss the contents of the "box". I say that the trend is that readers of books (again, not even discussing what exactly the books) is becoming less and "swallowers voids" all the more. And so I agree with you: some books are nothing at all can not be replaced.
But as a handbook, then I say, Lopatin (Russian spelling dictionary) or BPS (Big Dictionary of Russian language) for some time been using the internet (it's just easier and faster) on the portal Diploma. py, which is what you want

[Allena]

Сообщение от fabosch

Readers of books (again, not even discussing what exactly the books) is becoming less and" swallowers voids "all the more.

This problem is not books, but the general level of culture in our society. If the general level of culture of all-so-ever start to grow, interest in the book certainly revive.