Degenerate Art? Art of degenerates!

[Семен Семенович]

Сообщение от Mukhin ФЕОФАН

So, to equate them with Zhukova, even given the scale of hostilities, to put it mildly - is not correct.

I can not be equaled, as well as Tchaikovsky and Paganini, or Tarkovsky and Bondarchuk. Compare all of them do not correctly. I just gave an example of people who turn their profession into art. Zhukov - including.

[ФЕОФАН МУХИН]

Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

Zhukov - including.

At the forum site dedicated to Russian art market certainly ought not to discuss things and events not directly related to the art. However, once they started talking about the Soviet military leader Zhukov - the best large-scale example of a conscious disregard for the life of the soldier's commander, in recent history net.Bezgramotnost, stupidity, willful decision Zhukova paid hundreds of thousands of shattered lives ....
History does not know the subjunctive mood. But a sober assessment is needed. Otherwise - Afghan adventure, the Chechen war, bullying ....
I apologize for the care of the topics ...
Sincerely, Nicholas.

[Mark]

Сообщение от Mukhin ФЕОФАН

History does not know the subjunctive mood. But a sober assessment is needed. Otherwise - Afghan adventure, the Chechen war, bullying ....

flood thick ... Semen Semenovich expressed his opinion, thank him for that. You have another - you too, thank you. Do not agree - on the merits will object instead and flooding. The idea was in fact clear - art only skill and professionalism is generated. A political information do not need anyone. I noticed there's a lot more versed in politics than in art.

[mezon]

Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

Actually, this refers to degenerative. And his concept of art I have already given above. For me - is the highest distinction of creativity, based on professionalism. Examples:
music - Tchaikovsky, Paganini ...; Painting - Renoir, Serov ...; theater - E. Evstigneev, EV Mironov ...; film - Tarkovsky, S. Bondarchuk, etc.
Also is the art of games - Zidane (football), Barbakaru (maps), O'Neal (basketball )....
Also Suvorov, Zhukov (the art of warfare ).... Well, in that spirit ...

On the Internet I found more than a hundred different definitions. The problem is that the concept is very multifaceted and captures the entire scope of material and spiritual life. And because each such definition reflects only a certain facet of this polyhedron, but the very same concept of art remains very uncertain. In order to understand that deeper and bigger in this concept - we must take this polyhedron and to consider it from different sides. And somewhere in the depths of this structure, you're bound to see and work degenerates. Take for example mentioned in the beginning of the theme of Hirst. Few had read about him, saw little of his work. As I understand the artist went to the eternal questions of life and death as the ideal modern society: the question of life - is a matter of what medicine to take and the deification of medicine. This idea is seen in his works. A sort of a grotesque in contemporary society. Dead animals (torn cow, animals in formaldehyde) - does not say whether it is about our attitude and did not have to revise at least the personal attitude to this. For example, becoming vegatariantsem, save the lives of at least one cow. So that in order to understand the meaning of what is happening and is the art of Hirst, and therefore it is art. Vazmozhno there and there is degeneration. And is not adjacent to the genius of madness, degeneration? The distinction that is hard to find, it is vague as the concept of art itself, but that would know what real art should know and his dark side. This may not be the only product of degenerates. It may just be someone else's faith, a different view, a strange sight - all faces of humanity, its psychology, its devices, the devices of his soul. And this is the brink of art. To understand the world should know about the existence of darkness. Philosophers say: that to understand the good must exist necessarily evil. Let me add: that to understand the genius to be aware that this madness. Not in vain there aphorism "Brilliant idea, but rather whether it is crazy that would be true?" (I can not vouch for verbatim but the meaning of this). You look at the art of the one, though beautiful, hand, and it is multifaceted in its manifestations. No limits creativity as there are no limits and for those who engaged in them (for degenerates included). My boundaries between art and blundering I have outlined: good and evil, genius and madness

[ФЕОФАН МУХИН]

Mark, Thank you учту. I also brought in advance izvineniniya ....

[Veronic]

mezon,
Actually your arguments are sound, and your opinion interesting, if not one but ..... There are so many deaths, disease, suffering, and that watching them even in art absolutely do not want to, at least to me. It is much harder now to raise the surface of a beautiful side of life, human achievement, than savor Chernuhi. Bad news always cause more visible in society, so that the special achievements in degenerative art not seen.
Although, I think many will agree with your opinion.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Veronic

There are so many deaths, disease, suffering, and that watching them even in art absolutely do not want to, at least to me.

Yes, you may be right ...
But you have to watch it all in art, do not want to understand, but you have to ...
This, for example.
Not pleasant, right?

[SAH]

Сообщение от Veronic

There are so many deaths, disease, suffering,

Yes, but too much and birth, health, happiness, thank God we live the same. (may not be the topic but ...)

[Nedogonov]

Сообщение от mezon

You're looking at art with one, though beautiful, hand, and it is multifaceted in its manifestations. No limits creativity as there are no limits and for those who engaged in them (for degenerates included). My boundaries between art and blundering I have outlined: good and evil, genius and madness

Look at art with a beautiful hand it is quite logical if we talk about art, how about some process (or a result of this process) whose purpose is - the rise of man and his approach to God.

Blur boundaries of art, of which you speak - it is is the process of degeneration. Vasily Rozanov, in general, odious personality, said: "The river, coming from the coast, is becoming a quagmire. In the beginning, by the way, he was friends with all sorts of "creative" ...

The outcome of art from the churches marked the beginning of its degeneration - in the world is steadily beginning to turn into a commodity. Not with the intention of serving God and the quest for divine meaning in all, "servant of art" began to lower the bar requirements for themselves and their creations.

It is not God, manifesting themselves in all that surrounds us, and ego artist was transferred to the canvas. I so I see! The triumph of this thesis has led to the fact that no artist has had to create something beautiful for people, but people should look for this beautiful in the darkness of his soul.

So, turned on the underside of the paradigm of art, beginning not only to pull in their ranks, but also propagate degenerates without number. A brisk "facilitators" and Marchand that are left that think the name newfangled directions "art" and briskly "vparivat" designed degenerate "sense.

The most interesting is that the Soviet times, famous for its "communist religion» and «ministry society and the people" has generated quite amazing, masterpiece works, with nothing is not comparable to the power of his influence.

And it should not have defecated next to them, and fasten Urinals to the people "smell out".

Fashist flying "... I do not need any installations and performances. All said, the heart and hand! Without words.

Your, Dr. Nedogonov

[Veronic]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Yes, you may be right ...
But you have to watch it all in art, do not want to understand, but you have to ...
This, for example.
Not pleasant, though?

Cyril, but it's different, we talk about the art of degenerates.