Degenerate Art? Art of degenerates!

[Семен Семенович]

Сообщение от mezon

I want to understand what is it

In fact, here it is a degenerative. And his concept of art I have already given above. for me - is the highest distinction of creativity, based on professionalism. Examples:
music - Tchaikovsky, Paganini ...; Painting - Renoir, Serov ...; theater - E. Evstigneev, EV Mironov ...; film - Tarkovsky, S. Bondarchuk, etc.
Also is the art of games - Zidane (football), Barbakaru (maps), O'Neal (basketball )....
Also Suvorov, Zhukov (the art of warfare ).... Well, in that spirit ...

[ФЕОФАН МУХИН]

Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

And also Suvorov, Zhukov (the art of warfare )....

leadership talent Suvorov primarily manifested in his careful treatment of soldatam.Polnaya victory over nepriyatilem with minimal human and material losses - that is the military genius of Suvorov, Ushakova.
Therefore, to equate them with Zhukova, even given the scale of hostilities, to put it mildly - is not correct.

[Семен Семенович]

Сообщение от Mukhin ФЕОФАН

So, to equate them with Zhukova, even given the scale of hostilities, to put it mildly - is not correct.

I can not be equaled, as well as Tchaikovsky and Paganini, or Tarkovsky and Bondarchuk. Compare all of them do not correctly. I just gave an example of people who turn their profession into art. Zhukov - including.

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Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

Zhukov - including.

At the forum site dedicated to Russian art market certainly ought not to discuss things and events not directly related to the art. However, once they started talking about the Soviet military leader Zhukov - the best large-scale example of a conscious disregard for the life of the soldier's commander, in recent history net.Bezgramotnost, stupidity, willful decision Zhukova paid hundreds of thousands of shattered lives ....
History does not know the subjunctive mood. But a sober assessment is needed. Otherwise - Afghan adventure, the Chechen war, bullying ....
I apologize for the care of the topics ...
Sincerely, Nicholas.

[Mark]

Сообщение от Mukhin ФЕОФАН

History does not know the subjunctive mood. But a sober assessment is needed. Otherwise - Afghan adventure, the Chechen war, bullying ....

flood thick ... Semen Semenovich expressed his opinion, thank him for that. You have another - you too, thank you. Do not agree - on the merits will object instead and flooding. The idea was in fact clear - art only skill and professionalism is generated. A political information do not need anyone. I noticed there's a lot more versed in politics than in art.

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Mark, Thank you учту. I also brought in advance izvineniniya ....

[Семен Семенович]

Сообщение от Mukhin ФЕОФАН

ignorance, stupidity, willful decision Zhukova paid hundreds of thousands of shattered lives ....
History does not know the subjunctive mood. But a sober assessment is needed. Otherwise - Afghan adventure, the Chechen war, bullying ....

Not very clear to me the comparison. Zhukov - a military leader, accepted strategy for all the leading military experts of the world. I can not, and did not want to discuss this person. He cited his example - just like winning one man skillful military battle. And win the war of personality, ability to organize and lead people. Including at Smer!

Сообщение от mezon

good and evil, genius and madness

  I think after all the genius and mediocrity!

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Semen Semenovich

Zhukov - a military leader, accepted strategy for all the leading military experts of the world.

Loud said. You know that in the military academies of the world are studying the operation under his leadership? What?

[яня]

Dear Veronic, on the link found only cutlets with flies. Separately, no.

: shy: And please do forgive me, all - and the truth, not all can read (no one will embrace the immense), but I do not doubt that everything already said. Just repeat - after all, the term some unprintable, some obscene.

You can tell a little more, though this someone probably already said?

Dear nelyubiteli actual art!
Leave alone Hirst with his shark. They did nothing wrong did not.
Fish do not bite, but you do not have to surrender their hard-earned rubles and hryvnia over the trade union or other voluntary-compulsory organization for public procurement of this worthy object. Were we to live in a society where one kind of art is banned, and the other is declared the state's power to proclaim a strong rate of Hurst only true, such a situation you would be threatened. I think that many would find time in his work a lot of advantages. : rolleyes:

In the meantime, you're just a pleasure Hirst and his international colleagues. The project was a success - all the artists spread out!
Those who want to pass for fashionable, smart and rich acquire sharks and inflatable hearts the size of an elephant (Koons), those who through lack of knowledge imagines himself zealous purity "sacred art" they shouted: "Down! shame! end of the world! ".
Some bought, others are bought, and the artist stands aside, considering bills and inhaling the aroma of laurel. Ok! His task was - to cause reflection of the broad masses, he did it. Tancujut all - from the millionaire to the pensioner. Human characters priobnazhilis old quality: stupidity, greed, vanity, curiosity, but also modesty, passion for self-knowledge, etc., began to play with new colors - beauty. Denzhischi - and the bonus is an artist and part of his project.

And if someone afraid for the younger generation, so do not be afraid! It should be easy to bring up children themselves, and not to give bail Hirst, Koons, br. Chapman, Vladik Monroe or that Manneken Pis from Ukraine. Before we worry about other people's fragile minds, better to strengthen his own, and then everything will be fine.
Sorry for the link to your own experience - he is closest. My poor son from childhood accustomed to the grim landscape contemporary art, as is known, is made from human amoral monster, but he did not them; torrid play computer games, from which the unknown like average teens go crazy and run into stores to shoot consumers, but instead accidentally learned English, became an admirer of primitive and vicious anime (look it up now) but again, not spoiled, and learned more Japanese, and fell in love with Hirosige Hokusai and Base with Busoni.
And this is not the exception but the rule. I have these boys have seen a lot of girls. They are now at 18-22. Good.
Maybe not so terrible modern devils?

[SAH]

Сообщение от Yan

or to the Manneken Pis from Ukraine.

Jana esteemed enjoyed reading you, And who is the Manneken Pis, will tell me more, I do not know.