Than the artist himself helps or hurts

[Peter]

Сообщение от Inquisitive

I am - not an artist. So far - not an art dealer or gallery owner.
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The purpose of the artist (in my opinion) to achieve empathy.

You are right in mnogom.Hotya get empathy you can not, you can call in someone to.Tsel artist in my opinion, creative expression, empathy may or may net.Bosh not all caused, Van Gogh did not initially really empathized ... I guess you could be good for artists, art dealer or gallery owner because you have a sense of empathy and it is very horosho.Vot only ... (So it rastak) market ...

[Flora]

Сообщение от Inquisitive

I have deliberately not written in detail on the wrong (in my opinion) the relationship between the creator and seller, as this issue has been raised repeatedly in the forum, where I defended my point of view.
In this case, I note that in my opinion - Professional Sales, fartsovo-feudal relations have outlived themselves.

In ancient times, the artist depended solely on the orders of religious institutions, monarchs, lords of commerce from, for socialism from government contracts, now an artist comes into the dependence of the dealer, curator, sponsor ... If an artist has financial independence, then perhaps he would be free to do, but this is not enough. Subconsciously, the artist creates what he wants to sell, and wants it to be a work of art enjoyed by many. There are happy occasions when exceptional art dealer, patron of the arts will recognize talent and help in the first stage. How to build relationships between the artist and the dealer - solely on the basis of trade. If an artist is extremely talented, brash, brash, has found a new format and works with the "actual" theme, will debate (the scandal), can come success, and so he will choose with whom it works and where to exhibit. Dealers compete with each other, too. Where money, there is a cruel slaughter. Well, but what fun at the auctions ...

[Annamain]

Сообщение от "Inquisitive

When the ugly (in my opinion) form of today's artist relations and the seller, it is difficult to talk about what hinders progress. Apparently opposed to their interests. Typically, the generality of both desire - only to material gain.
That is what prevents the creation of works due quality, availability of demand, autonomy of the artist.

In the old days there was a strong division between people with the work of an analytical or creative parts of the brain, and between well-ustakanennymi in society (usually) and a (slightly) the outsiders - to them are often owned by the artists. But this situation is now beginning to straighten out.

In addition, information is now available in the form - and everything. If before that to think in commerce - have been born in a family of merchants, or to have talent, but now something really learn. Therefore have an advantage in the one who invests time in at least a little - but the knowledge of formal law and marketing, etc.

Besides, now all go back to school. And then put half of the analytic work to a level unattainable for the middle ages. This means that the most hard-nosed artist today is still able to count and weigh the decision, and (in part at least) to control emotions.
I think these conditions we work a plus.

And about protivipolozhnosti interests dealer and artist - I think such a view belongs to the past. If a broader view, both of them - part of a process. Yes, far from harmonious, they are joined. I think that the future belonged to the harmonious docking. And to her it is worth adding that the artist brings perspective, and you can make bets on them. This will require a more precise understanding of the paintings.

Сообщение от "Inquisitive

I'm feeling about that brewing time revise these relations and this will entail looseness artist.

Totally agree. Exit the artist's own internet - the very first to move. Then it is desirable that some such understanding, as well as to conduct a live site. In general, anything other than put up there pictures. Only if the artist gets more autonomy.
Well, a review of relations is possible only when the first party will be stronger and more independent. Artists, it makes sense to work not only on the canvas - but also on themselves.

Сообщение от "Flora

With respect to your point of view, but still want to ask:" ... and when the artist was related to the others? " In the days of Michelangelo, Caravaggio, Goya, Modigliani, Baska yesterday and today to present their pictures in the gallery artists are paid a large sum.

Evolution selects high-risk group in the 3-5%of the population and make them outsiders to try new ways and to pave the way for the future. But the other 97%- it stabilizatsonny fund. This is one reason why the artist often does not appreciate at the time of life - it worries people with something inexplicable, and just compensation for the sake of being ignored. And then the pebbles on the grave just settle ... Roughly the same was the case with Socrates - he too was ahead of its time and bother people with their habitual way of life, but because he was offered exile or a cup of hemlock.
  The second reason - it seems that art dealers are more supportive of the dead. Maybe it's easier to create a mythology? I think so.
... Well, you can still say a couple of reasons. Most of the weight in the force of tradition. But from my point of view, not a sentence.

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Сообщение от Inquisitive

I have deliberately not written in detail on the wrong (in my opinion) the relationship between the creator and seller, as this issue has been raised repeatedly in the forum, where I defended my point of view.
In this case, I note that in my opinion - Professional Sales, fartsovo-feudal relations have outlived themselves.


 Subconsciously, the artist creates what he wants to sell, and wants it to be a work of art enjoyed by many. There are happy occasions when exceptional art dealer, patron of the arts will recognize talent and help in the first stage. How to build relationships between the artist and the dealer - solely on the basis of trade. If an artist is extremely talented, brash, brash, has found a new format and works with the "actual" theme, will debate (the scandal), can come success, and so he will choose with whom it works and where to exhibit. Dealers compete with each other, too. Where money, there is a cruel slaughter. Well, but what fun at the auctions ...

Here I am about the same.
The artist obviously wants to get rid of any obligation, art dealer uses the time dependence of the artist and get the most for themselves.
That is what is the essence of today's relationship of creator and seller. Marriage of convenience.
Can you be happy in a marriage of convenience?
I do not know, I'm in such marriages was not involved and do not intend to join them.
However, this has nothing to trade.
In the painting has its own immutable laws. In the trade - his own.
Breaking the walrus, and there could not care less - it fartsovka, not trade.
This dealer (not to be confused with market peddler) builds its profitable, sustainable business for the future. This means that the rules of a business partnership originally laid - before, not during, and especially not after. Moreover, win-win for our partners.
Otherwise - fartsovka. Who will obegorit.

I believe in the art business (as indeed in other types of business), each business partner should be engaged in a professional matter. Simplification: the creator - create, dealer - to sell.
Having their rights and responsibilities, as well as conditions of the contract termination.

Despite the simplicity of the concept, build it and to model for invariant situations is difficult. In contrast, Berezovsky, I have not had a professional game theory.

[Annamain]

Сообщение от "Inquisitive

I believe in the art business (as indeed in other types of business), each business partner should be engaged in a professional matter. Simplification: the creator - create, dealer - to sell.

This is an ideal position. Maybe during the Golden Age, each doing its own business and doing it well within their competence, without prejudice to the other side. But those days are obviously gone.
In our time, this alignment is kept more or less normal level, without abuse, but with equal sides. And if the equality in the "Golden Age" meant simply the possession of his profession - that Now this foreknowledge and defend their interests.
Yes, I agree, it's not too happy. For a trader this is natural, but the artist, if he creatively laid out - as if the salmon after spawning, and bargaining is often not the strength. This is a problem. You may need to develop their art-concept on the proposal before put on the picture. And may need to adopt technology personnel entering the independence and develop it. That she was not interested in an artist at the time of sale desired finished paintings - and long before him.