Than the artist himself helps or hurts - Страница 2 - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Yurko · 02.10.2010, 18:44

or even better make the price in the framework of minimum and maximum .. and leading a conversation with a client having studied it properly .. figure that framework in its favor .. well, or quickly sell the more expensive ... .. or sales techniques necessary to give due time .. and the cost is a mandatory attribute trade .. and then some can sell long and hard .. especially through the Internet

Annamain · 02.10.2010, 22:25

[QUOTE="dedulya37; 1303571]do you consider yourself to what side processes include?[/QUOTE]

For artists who promote themselves, able to think logically and build strategy.

[QUOTE="Posav; 1303711]Since you posed the question, the artist turns to the role of the artist whose will is that the artist is contrary to nature, in fact work. Although such a phenomenon has appeared. But then it seems necessary to distinguish what is art and art is a business or even political art business.[/QUOTE]

Here I think this is one of the claims to the artist that he thinks himself sometimes too freely, and at the same time wants everyone to like and things went like clockwork.
Yes, creativity, spontaneous process. But there is still competence. Besides, there is discipline. In my understanding, this means not expands and does not throw in the booze when you need to focus on the process.

[COLOR="Silver"] (I'm told, complaining about the designers that everyone imagines himself Leonardo, between wanting to get paid regularly, and for this reason is that violate their commitments. People ask why nashiryalsya on Thursday and by Monday logo was not ready - it's timeless answer to calculation the creative process. [/COLOR]: eek

Imagine that the art dealer, especially if he has invested in an artist, have their wishes about the plot, the behavior, but about something else. I think it is obvious - the artist here is not entirely independent variables. This is teamwork, so be tuning.
Besides, I do not believe that only razdolbaynost helps keep the creative process. And who can not get the job done - that does not quite professional. And inspiration is a different kind.

Peter · 02.10.2010, 22:35

What prevents often in business and an artist and art dealer, and the common man, "so it samouverennost.Hudozhniku that he is a genius, art dealer, he knows everything and lucky, and the common man thinks he knows for sure what will be done
tomorrow.

Yurko · 02.10.2010, 22:43

Artist, and in my opinion, should be able to portray all that he pripodnosyat for proper payment, excluding plagiarism! - Kopiazh for money is a false idea of incomes for ... and to write for the money needed-just, in the process of creative exploration and comes the same professionalism!
The more spoil canvases and yes even for a fee (well, type custom

"the more we feel the appetite for his extraordinary personal especially creativity) .. more to sell the artist, the better for it (and materially and professionally)!
! 10 paintings sold under an order by the customer .. write one or two works to the exhibition ... but what would they do not concede, and superior to you .. but .. this is for the name again to sell more expensive ... but a hard way .. and sho do can someone intelligent tell me? I'll be glad

Annamain · 02.10.2010, 22:54

Yurko, I'm afraid there's no easy way out. Even those who seemingly easy, certainly have a lot of side effects.

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What prevents often in business and an artist and art dealer, and the common man, "so it samouverennost.Hudozhniku that he is a genius, art dealer, he knows everything and lucky, and the common man thinks that he knows for sure what will be done tomorrow.

Exactly! There must be some optimal combination.

dedulya37 · 03.10.2010, 07:59

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artist, and in my opinion, should be able to portray all that he pripodnosyat for proper payment, excluding plagiarism! - Kopiazh for money is a false idea of incomes for ... and to write for the money needed-just and in the process of creative exploration and comes very professional!
The more spoil canvases and yes even for a fee (well under such an order-the more we feel the appetite for his extraordinary personal especially creativity) .. The more the artist sells the better for it (and financially and professionally)!
! 10 paintings sold under an order by the customer .. write one or two works to the exhibition ... but what would they do not concede, and superior to you .. but .. this is for the name again to sell more expensive ... but a hard way .. and sho do can someone intelligent tell me? I would be happy

Actually, you drew a creative way D. Nalbandian.

Любознательный · 03.10.2010, 19:00

I am - not an artist. So far - not an art dealer or gallery owner.
But as the conversation ever invited, I will express my opinion.

Of course, the artist must have faith in their mission and their unique genius. Question - yes, lose faith in themselves - no. In this case, the artist dies and the body of the former artist grows muff, which can run on request (I'm raping her).
Sorry for the harshness, but I think so.

Creativity associative process. At the artist's work affects his environment (the environment). The question is whether the artist to feel the state of society (its environment) and pass it in his work? This does not exclude the expression (a state of their own souls).
The purpose of the artist (in my opinion) to achieve empathy.
No empathy - there is no demand for his work. No memory of him.

Much has been written about the technology promotion artist (promotion of his paintings). However, in my opinion, all this is secondary.
When the ugly (in my opinion) form of today's artist relations and the seller, it is difficult to talk about what hinders progress. Apparently opposed to their interests. Typically, the generality of both desire - only to material gain.
That is what prevents the creation of works due quality, availability of demand, autonomy of the artist.
I'm feeling about what is brewing time revise these relations and this will entail looseness of the artist.
In what form will this happen?
Today I am not yet ready to respond.
Not matured.

Flora · 03.10.2010, 19:34

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I am - not an artist.

When the ugly (in my opinion) form of today's artist relations and the seller, it is difficult to talk about what hinders progress. Apparently opposed to their interests. Typically, the generality of both desire - only to material gain.
That is what prevents the creation of works due quality, availability of demand, autonomy of the artist.
I'm feeling about what is brewing time revise these relations and this will entail looseness of the artist.
In what form will this happen?
Today I am not yet ready to respond.
Not yet ripe.

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With respect to your point of view, but still want to ask: "... and when the artist was related to the others?" In the days of Michelangelo, Caravaggio, Goya, Modigliani, Baska yesterday and today to present their pictures in the gallery artists are paid a substantial sum.

Любознательный · 03.10.2010, 20:17

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........................................... ................
With respect to your point of view, but still want to ask: "... and when the artist was related to the others?" In the days of Michelangelo, Caravaggio, Goya, Modigliani, Baska yesterday and today to present their pictures in the gallery artists are paid a large sum.

I deliberately did not write in detail about the incorrectness (in my opinion) the relationship between the creator and seller, as this issue has been raised repeatedly in the forum, where I defended my point of view.
In this case, I note that in my opinion - Professional Sales, fartsovo-feudal relations have outlived themselves.
I really do not ripe to present the structure of the new relationship, I'm working. As soon as everything will be clear enough for me and will be counted, I just change the niche application of its forces.
Until then, I remain in the role of collector.

Кирилл Сызранский · 03.10.2010, 20:26

[QUOTE="Inquisitive; 1305841]I really do not ripe to present the structure of a new relationship, I'm working. As soon as everything will be clear enough for me and will be counted, I just change the niche application of its forces.[/QUOTE]
Cool!
Waiting, I feel, is the bomb!
[B][I][COLOR="Navy"] depzhis Mom, Dad dpozhi ...[/COLOR][/I][/B] (c)

02.10.2010, 22:25	Язык оригинала: Русский #12
Annamain Пользователь Регистрация: 27.09.2010 Сообщений: 50 Спасибо: 89 Поблагодарили 50 раз(а) в 29 сообщениях Репутация: 100	[QUOTE="dedulya37; 1303571]do you consider yourself to what side processes include?[/QUOTE] For artists who promote themselves, able to think logically and build strategy. [QUOTE="Posav; 1303711]Since you posed the question, the artist turns to the role of the artist whose will is that the artist is contrary to nature, in fact work. Although such a phenomenon has appeared. But then it seems necessary to distinguish what is art and art is a business or even political art business.[/QUOTE] Here I think this is one of the claims to the artist that he thinks himself sometimes too freely, and at the same time wants everyone to like and things went like clockwork. Yes, creativity, spontaneous process. But there is still competence. Besides, there is discipline. In my understanding, this means not expands and does not throw in the booze when you need to focus on the process. [COLOR="Silver"] (I'm told, complaining about the designers that everyone imagines himself Leonardo, between wanting to get paid regularly, and for this reason is that violate their commitments. People ask why nashiryalsya on Thursday and by Monday logo was not ready - it's timeless answer to calculation the creative process. [/COLOR]: eek Imagine that the art dealer, especially if he has invested in an artist, have their wishes about the plot, the behavior, but about something else. I think it is obvious - the artist here is not entirely independent variables. This is teamwork, so be tuning. Besides, I do not believe that only razdolbaynost helps keep the creative process. And who can not get the job done - that does not quite professional. And inspiration is a different kind. __________________ http://annamain.org

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