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13.06.2009, 10:31 | Язык оригинала: Русский #1 |
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2 antique Sevres (Sevres) vases Napoleon, France
Two Antique Vases-Urns-SEVRES Stil.Keramika, painting artist N. Desprez, gilt bronze, patina, 43.5sm height, 19-th century, France. Hallmarks: monogram N, stamp on the inside of the lid, mark DISCH on the inside of a bronze stand. In excellent condition for their age.
Such vases, larger, painted by the same artist, sold at Sotheby's April auction for $ 37000. [email protected] |
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13.06.2009, 20:03 | Язык оригинала: Русский #2 |
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LenaK, such, but not quite like this!
1.Ochevidno that there were porcelain vases. 2.Eto not Sevres! This porcelain vase in the style of sevra.O than said texture myssy. The floor is covered with cracks, which is characteristic of earthenware, but not porcelain. Mark nadglazurnaya.Na Sevres factory staged brand podglazuryu, always! Overglaze marks were, but another type. 3.Zhivopis very far from Sevres. |
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14.06.2009, 11:23 | Язык оригинала: Русский #3 |
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Sorry, but the vase in the same style and the same artist, only smaller
I rummaged on the Internet, some of the galleries carry them to SEVRES STYLE, and some of Sevres directly, see for yourself: http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot...t_id=159528893 Also http://www.artnet.com/artwork/425663...onic-vase.html http://www.auctionflex.com/showlot.a...&lang = En http://www.nealauction.com/archive/0...t/601-700.html In any case, they are quite rare and expensive ... |
14.06.2009, 12:38 | Язык оригинала: Русский #4 |
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All you have shown examples of porcelain vases.
And vezede write Sevres-style, which means in the style of Sevres. Is that right? Nothing rare there. Quite a common thing. These were produced in small porcelain and faience factories in Europe. Originally issued for Sevres or not granted, do not know. Always and in all times been excellent proiz.is Islands and to imitate them. who could not afford to buy a genuine pro-e bought the replica. |
15.06.2009, 01:07 | Язык оригинала: Русский #5 |
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Dear uriart. Thanks for the information, it seems that you really know in china.
But still, I think you are still somewhat overconfident in their words ... Although the antique world can never be 100%sure as you live, you learn so much. You write: "All you have shown examples of porcelain vases. And vezede write Sevres-style, which means in the style of Sevres. Is that right? Nothing rare there. Quite a common thing. These were produced in small porcelain and faience factories in Europe. Originally issued for Sevres or not granted, do not know. Always and in all times been excellent proiz.is Islands and to imitate them. who could not afford to buy a genuine pro-e to buy a replica. " I am a dealer, but not an expert, and yet these vases are of relevance to Sevres, because the artist DESPREZ had worked at the Sevres factory, and later opened his own business and a shop in Paris «Desprez (father and son)-Ceramics Studios», their products are highly artistic and very honored ... Artist porcelain H. DESPREZ also listed in the list of artists at Christie's, ARTNET.com and ARTPRICE.com, and you say "3.Zhivopis far removed from the Sevres .»??? On your approval, I am trying to sell consumer goods ... But, as we know, SOTHEBY'S auction house is not selling consumer goods ... At the auction, which took place on April 20, 2009, such as vases, larger left for $ 37000 ....?? Price is very close to SEVRIER ... Further, "There is nothing rare there. Quite a common thing.. "No, no, maybe you would encounter similar vases, but not with Napoleon Bonaparte! At the moment, only the gallery CHARLES CHERIFF in New York (a very famous gallery with 80 years of experience) and another gallery in the PALM BEACH in WORTH AVENUE (one of the richest and most prestigious streets of America) sells vases, painted by this artist in the Napoleonic topics. What I really agree with you, even if they are made and painted by the master, who worked at Sevres, is not Sevres, Sevres and STYLE. And also, it is not porcelain, but now I even think it's ceramics, because they released Desprez (father and son)-Ceramics Studios, while all the rest (SOTHEBY'S, CHRISTIE'S, CHARLES CHERIFF ... as well as the Gelos auction 24 April 2009, lot number 169) write PORCELAIN, which means PORCELAIN. I changed it in the description. |
15.06.2009, 04:16 | Язык оригинала: Русский #7 |
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I agree that selling at auction is not 100%guarantee that the real thing ...
But even more important to know where this thing, so I bought these vases in person at ESTATE Sale, in the United States. ESTATE Sale-this is usually when old people die, and relatives, trying to get rid of their things ... The most interesting shopping! In addition, there were a lot of interesting things, such as figurines of MEISSEN, which, unfortunately, I missed, I came late in the day ... I bought in the same luxurious dish MEISSEN ... These people collect old china and vases have been in the family for a long time, so that I do not think that this is fake ... |
15.06.2009, 09:29 | Язык оригинала: Русский #9 |
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Yes, Yuri, I want to stop this senseless squabble. You're right, I was wrong, just wrong, other major stock houses and galleries of America ....
Only one can not understand why such an all-knowing expert as you are still stuck in Dnipropetrovsk ...? Where and decent museums no .... Except, of course, the world-famous Art Museum ... |
15.06.2009, 09:54 | Язык оригинала: Русский #10 |
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LenaK, even though you are trying to stab me, living in a provincial town, nothing you do not come out.
I live there where he was born and grew up, that's all! And the place of residence by no means affect my travels around the world! And when you at least once or twice "pierced" believing and leading auctioneers including aukts.domam, you will be on the water to blow! And when having a full package of documents will they prove that this is a fake, and they still do not return you money? Then you would talk differently. Believe me! I have experience! Especially with American houses is so-called aukts.domami. |
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