Degenerate Art? Art of degenerates!

[Семен Семенович]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Conceptual art deals with the definition of art and nothing else.

Again I do not understand. Probably slowpoke. Maybe someone pokonkretnee say?

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Сообщение от Yaya

Y Ilya Chichkan fame much more than money, but the fate did not complain.
Best if it is modern Ukrainian artist - art historians to decide. But the fact that it represents domestic kontemporari art - a fact.

And that you - his glory, knowing how much money he has? And fortunately, did not choose art, who is the best and who is not. Time is all about!

[sss]

Сообщение от Veronic

The artist is someone who can draw ...

In the Netherlands, wandered into a basement, it turned out - Sale of used refrigerators. I do not know how "modeled" or was the idea of an independent shopkeeper, but it looked like this:
in several rows, strictly on the line were set up coolers of various sizes, separated by a distance that makes it possible to bypass each of them around. Refrigerators - two hundred pieces.
I wanted to leave, but the owner motioned to view the exhibition and once again disappeared behind the monitor of your computer.
I politely went along the rows. The silence and boredom - like refrigerators, refrigerators ... above, below, older, newer ... and so, until the very end.
The only thing noticed is the passed one of them, heard some strange sounds. Came back, listened, really, from the refrigerator, the sound of voices, clinking of glasses, the clatter of knives and forks on plates, laughter ...
I opened the door - the sound instantly disappeared.
In the refrigerator on the shelf was black and white photography depicting people sitting at the dining table, which, with the presents made to the mouths with forks and glasses, with surprise froze, staring at me.
I, immediately, as if excusing himself, slammed the fridge.
The meal was resumed.
))
Conceptually, without the ability to draw.
Long gone impressed.

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Alternatively, the string of mediocre banal paintings, which only demonstrate that the ability to draw ...
You should not think that they are less traumatized consciousness. This is the same banal, with only touching aspiration.
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Talented and incompetent things exist in any field of art, in any direction. The question is only in the ability to distinguish and willingness to consume or be suspended.
Trying to advise or redo someone - an empty exercise. All are old enough and formed people. Moreover, for the present understanding of something, a little curiosity and a sincere desire for beauty. There are things that are not replenished nor education nor erudition, nor nauchaemostyu, otherwise, we would have eleven pieces, Pushkin, and not less V. Van Gogh.

[Buscador]

Сообщение от sss

Conceptually, without the ability to draw.

Certainly conceptually! But where is the art of painting. Here art mysteriously arrange b \ y refrigerators in order to successfully sell. The concept to address trafficking Used refrigerators, all ostolnoe - accompanying the case of: dance naked ostrovityanok, 7th Symphony of Shostakovich (as background), a talking picture, or something else

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Сообщение от sss

long gone impressed.

And as has already passed?

[voloviks]

Сообщение от Buscador

Of course conceptually! But where is the art of painting.

It's not about painting, but of art. Certainly not about the art of painting, but about the phenomenon of art, the kind of human activity, the need to create, to impress, surprise, etc., SSS I saw in this episode art. Someone else see this as an original joke, but someone decided that was crazy and it sees and hears only one. But if you put it all in the gallery or museum, it will be recognized specifically as an art, not a joke. If you, for example, would make that your kitchen - all your friends would consider you a great original, Conceptual kitchen scale, to put on your street - the whole street will know what you conceptualist, and exhibitions, for example, in the Guggenheim Museum - the whole world recognizes you Conceptual artist. Here's a blunt way to glory.
I really liked the episode, described by SSS. And it was definitely shop second-hand equipment? )))))))))

[Nedogonov]

Will put the ritual "stitching"?

The answer to the message Gans 'as in "Arbor»: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=27215

He will go far - the boy who managed to convince even his mother in the feasibility of such a "performance". However, history has known women who have national pride, solely because of its immorality ...

This boy, who, judging from the pale of his mind, do not ever play with the children on the playground, you know, like "write text" and "to introduce their ideas and creativity in the middle class ..." Vaginas do not need this at all, they can sew, because is a good alternative to the vagina ...

Until the pain like a boy was born "third child in a family of Trier lawyer of Jewish descent" in 1819 He also liked to "introduce" and "implemented" ... in all implemented and in all. But in addition, then at least three children, appears to have been.

"Trier" also raved about the "high" and left behind his "Testament, priests who are corrupt zhurnalyugi from the media. The results, as they say - on the face. "Testament", of course, was not created for the "intellectual elite of mankind", and for the labor of the proletariat - the cannon fodder of the revolution ...

Today, the proletariat - waste material, rotting in landfills. In turn the middle class. It requires "Testament of new generation. And the canvas of the "covenant ..." seems to have inscribed heathens - «I called it a new sentimentality» ... At the engine "cognitive industry"!

Maybe this next degenerate charisma will be enough to convince me to introduce such a ritual "stitching" for girls on the eighth day after birth. You'll see - will breathe easier ... Or, after all, it's safe to lay at the feet of the New Prophet gold, frankincense and myrrh?

[Buscador]

Сообщение от voloviks

the phenomenon of art, on the kind of human activity, the need to create, to impress, surprise, etc., SSS saw in this episode art. Someone else see this as an original joke, but someone decided that was crazy and it sees and hears only one. But if you put it all in the gallery or museum, it will be recognized specifically as an art, not a joke. If you, for example, would make that your kitchen - all your friends would consider you a great original, Conceptual kitchen scale, to put on your street - the whole street will know what you conceptualist, and exhibitions, for example, in the Guggenheim Museum - the whole world recognizes you Conceptual artist. Here's a blunt way to glory.
I really liked the episode, described by SSS. And it was definitely shop second-hand equipment? )))))))))

I am certainly not against it. This original, fun, etc. And even in the museum can get, and somewhere else ... Here in my backyard one eccentric, conceptually, was to wash the car, spread out some spare parts around the yard. So he was very specific and clearly explained the concept, where his place along with his car ... Or take another example. Homeless man entered the store and began going through his three bags, perhaps, to do something conceptual. You understand the consequences of this action. In general, the homeless - people who think conceptually very, very much. They have so many unconventional decisions and actions ...
I think that art - conceptual or what else (the words that much and think you can mark any) - is a movement to the beautiful, the sublime ... And not in the opposite direction.
And I also liked the episode - described with taste.

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Сообщение от sss

Trying to advise or redo someone - an empty exercise. All are old enough and formed people. Moreover, for the present understanding of something, a little curiosity and a sincere desire for beauty. There are things that are not replenished nor education nor erudition, nor nauchaemostyu, otherwise, we would have eleven pieces, Pushkin, and not less V. Van Gogh

And here I can not agree. Objectives education is precisely clarified. Not plantation, and clarification. And if a person has a craving for beauty - it will reach certain heights. This is a one-way street. Unless, of course, this draft is ... And if the education we have today was at a level that in Pushkin's time, then sure, and talents would be born (manifested) more often.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Nedogonov

Or, after all, it's safe to lay at the feet of the New Prophet gold, frankincense and myrrh?

When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy, and went into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and bowed down and worshiped Him, and they opened their treasures and presented Him with gifts : gold, frankincense and myrrh. (Mf.2 :9-11) (emphasis added.)

Сообщение от Nedogonov

on the eighth day after birth.

On the eighth day after his Christmas Jesus Christ, according to Old Testament law, adopted circumcision established for all male infants in a sign of God's covenant with Abraham and his descendants. When the commission of the rite divine child was given the name Jesus (Savior) (Matthew 1, 21, Mark. 16, 17, Mark. 9, 38-39, Luke. 10, 17, Acts. 3, 6 Acts. 3, 16 , Phil. 2, 9-10), proclaimed by the Archangel Gabriel on the day of the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary. (c)
In the New Testament rite of circumcision gave way to the sacrament of baptism. Feast of the Circumcision of the Lord to remind Christians that they have entered into the New Covenant with God, and «circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of flesh by the circumcision of Christ» (Col. 2, 11). There is 1 January of the Gregorian calendar, the Orthodox - as Jan. 1, but either the Gregorian or the Julian calendar (the last date corresponds to the XX and XXI centuries January 14 Gregorian calendar), depending from the style adopted in a particular local church. Interestingly, quoted a message (№ 75) insults the religious feelings of Tjutchev as well?

[Yaya]

Сообщение от Buscador

And if the education we have today was at a level that in Pushkin's time, then sure, and talents would be born (manifested) more.

"We all learned a little. Anything and somehow ...."

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Nedogonov

He will go far

But how far will you go with the current reputation, I, for one, do not know ...

Сообщение от Nedogonov

Karma: -1590

   An excellent tool given to administrators.
I realized that the reaction of Gorelov and, although how much a cynic myself here trying to show ...
By the way, Mr. Nedogonov, it is now temporarily banned poor man asked about the author is so steep your rating. I thought, even me.
So, once you say, I gave you negative feedback in this thread, but you yourself will see my explanation. They are visible only to you in the office, so it seems ...

[Vlasta]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

how far will you go with the current reputation, I, for one, do not know ...

Wait, wait, Kirill. I see the reputation of a gentleman Nedogonova 659. A -1590 - what's this?