Art as a commodity: Paradoxes and patterns

[Buscador]

Сообщение от Sergei burly

And when the 6 copies at the same time - the goods.

Certainly goods.
The only difference is in the quality, and the authorship of "promotion" ..
From this and the price.
No self-respecting artist breeds copy (for it is incredible labor), and makes the author's hand, if the plot demand in the market ...

[Сергей Дородный]

Сообщение от Buscador

... The only difference is in the quality, and the authorship of " promotion" .. And the price of this ...

That is, Product price is not tied to its merchantability ? Is not it strange ?

The question then oschem theoretical . Once again, art ( painting , claiming the existence of art) the definition of the goods is not appropriate and does not have the properties of the product . (see number 39 in this thread) .
 If I was going to write a tutorial , well be pondered over this fact. And there - it's up .

[Buscador]

Сообщение от Sergei burly

Ie
Product price is not tied to its merchantability?
Is not it strange?

It is called - and talk!
Attached to.
These properties - the quality of painting, the author's name ....
These properties - with n c e and f and h f c and f!

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Buscador

These properties - with n c e and f and h f c and f!

But the main thing and the most important specific Holy Island (affecting the price hud.tovara) INTANGIBLE!

[Сергей Дородный]

Buscador, yes me too tired .
You defend a common belief - everything on the counter - the goods .
And to you I got to the bottom with the theory of political economy ( Mark and his ilk Smith and Ricardo ) .
 Well ok . Have it your way. One either countryman here drew the shadows of two lemons in hand, the apparent source of light from one side. And asked for advice.
And then I - he was a simpleton to advise the shadow toward the source does not draw (((

[iosif]

Сообщение от Pavel

Dear Joseph! Market to your already exists, but for some reason this is not it. Do not buy any stuff for the Arts . What you want is already on the market anywhere in the stands. Once again, I advise foreign study experience , you will save a lot of energy. Everything is there and works .

Dear Paul ! For some reason I can not even convey to you the content of his message . I guess I overestimated myself as a popularizer .
I'll try one last time.
1. The market exists today . With the meager amount of traditional customers : collectors , fans and a bit of the corporate sector. I want to double , triple , or better increase tenfold the number of consumers . This task is feasible , if you approach it from the standpoint of a standard solution of marketing. But better - in terms of marketing, tailored to the art market , and it is the Russian one. Than I am, to the best of ability, and do. What I write and I will write . In this short article tried to define the product , the first element of a minimum of four .
2 . Everything I write is always tested in practice by myself . I have already said that this is both good and bad. Good, because I checked. Bad because the small sample and the mind.
Hundreds of campaigns, events and marketing-related acts of sales - it is a statistic (good) . Only three of the artist, whose work on the updated basic marketing idea - it's not statistics ( bad). In this connection it is co-creation of what we are doing in the forum .
3 . Foreign experience - well. Not adapted to Russia - is worse.
4 . I'm afraid to offend, but you are arguing in effect on the market , it seems, have not read any good books on the subject. I do not know how that's primed canvas . And if you ever need me to ask you or another knowledgeable . It is important that I understand that I can not. You are not guided in the market , according to the ideas outlined in your posts . It is not fatal . But you did not feel the need to learn this. This is fatal. Of course, not for the artist , you can be a great artist , knows nothing about marketing. But the question now is , what about marketing . No offense only .

[Buscador]

Сообщение от Sergei burly

Buscador, yes me too tired .
You defend a common belief - everything on the counter - the goods .
And to you I got to the bottom with the theory of political economy ( Mark and his ilk Smith and Ricardo ). (((

You know, if I was interested in something from the point of view of political economy , I would have found the appropriate site . But it seems to me that from the point of view of political economy ( socialism and capitalism ) - a thing, put up for sale, acquires a product category ... Regardless of the nuances

[Pablo]

This product , designed for harmony , etc. etc. - in the process of creation ..
If an artist trading their works - he trades

Сообщение от Buscador; 2749641 "

product

, which has its price. That is, it is a craftsman , I would even say right - DPI.
For any creator - his work is priceless, but as always, everyone wants to eat.
This is a different category , the different points of view , one of the artist , the other - gallerist .
What came out of the studio - have item . Especially since the author himself knows what the final price is and what is not .
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[Buscador]

Сообщение от Sergei burly ; 2749611 "

One Your fellow countryman here painted the shade of two lemons in hand, the apparent source of light from one side. And requests the Council .

? ? ? ... ? ? ?

Сообщение от Sergei burly ; 2749611 "

And then I - he was a simpleton to advise the shadow toward the source does not draw (((

The light source may be two .... You need to watch the work . Just do not know what " fellow countrymen and lemons ," you say.

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA; 2749251 "

( in our time ) the price of the product ( or product ) depends primarily on the ( level, but not the quality ) of famous authors ( the manufacturer) , and the " time to market (goods) " starts with fame (of any kind) of this manufacturer .

The quality of work is very important. Here is a small example . Most of Ukrainian authors unknown in Russia. Therefore, the selection of works primarily look at the quality as author on the market is unknown. This will determine the price . On the " new market " in the first place there is the quality of the ...

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Сообщение от Pablo; 2749681 "

This is a different category , the different points of view , one of the artist , the other - gallerist .
What came out of the studio - have item .

Сообщение от Pablo; 2749681 "

which has its price. That is, it is a craftsman , I would even say right - DPI.

Сообщение от Pablo; 2749681 "

For any creator - his work is priceless ,

Сообщение от Pablo; 2749681 "

but as always, everyone wants to eat .

Exactly like ...

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Сообщение от Pablo

Moreover, the author himself knows what the final price is and what is not.

Final price no one knows until the picture goes on the market.
Final price only destroyed the works ...

[Artoil-A]

Сообщение от Buscador

Grandfathers - artists studied creativity is not on postcards (laughter ), and the originals of the works in museums around the country . And not in the 80's and 50's ,60 -s .. In the 80's in the same museums already copied the works of their children ...

Next you do not want to even comment . You ever dealt with the artists ? That time?

Maybe in the province and went to museums and then copied in Moscow with postcards and reproductions. Sometimes, artists, gallery owners give apprentices copy successful work done in a simplified technique .. It is natural to sell lots .
In fact, many artists titled could then sell . Conventional their feeders were stolen , and on the open market ...