Russian art market for contemporary art in terms of marketing

[Fed]

Сообщение от Sergei burly ; 2914331"

example marketing question: why artists do not want to sell the painting for 500 if formal cost "production" made ​​150 ?

I have the answer . Truth - talk into reality .
Turns 4th artists were tasked to paint small - party product . Unexpectedly failed .
Surprise was true until the 2nd .
Found 5th , who finally managed to overpower the sample, but requested 2 times more for excessive work .
End of the story : just found a responsible girl with the rudiments thin. skills and , incredibly , but she did.

Conclusions some of the history - herd "artists" that roam the expanses Sovdepiia are often artists only in their brain and documents on education.
What's in their head when they do not want to sell something for 500 , although the debris around 500 , I have long ceased to think .
Maybe when at least one of them will come in time to meet again, I 'll start this process in the context of the buzzwords of " marketing ."

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Сообщение от Fed; 2914391"

Conclusions some of the history - herd "artists" that roam the expanses Sovdepiia are often artists only in their brain and documents on education.
What's in their head when they do not want to sell something for 500 , although the debris around 500 , I have long ceased to think .
Maybe when at least one of them will come in time to meet again, I 'll start this process in the context of clever words about " marketing ".

I'm more interested in this context is not the authors of works of art, and they bought .

[iosif]

Fed, in your parable is also a lack of marketing knowledge from the artists. Well, and may even then <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
On the correct procedure they need to sell at 500 ( at a cost of 350), and part of the difference to invest in brand - Building, the next time to sell at 600. And so on . But it should be able to . Or so : it should study

[Сергей Дородный]

Сообщение от Fed

I have the answer . Truth - talk into reality .
Turns 4th artists were tasked to paint small - party product . Unexpectedly failed .
Surprise was true until the 2nd .
Found 5th , who finally managed to overpower the sample, but requested 2 times more for excessive work .
End of the story : just found a responsible girl with the rudiments thin. skills and , incredibly , but she did.

Conclusions some of the history - herd "artists" that roam the expanses Sovdepiia are often artists only in their brain and documents on education.
What's in their head when they do not want to sell something for 500 , although the debris around 500 , I have long ceased to think .
Maybe when at least one of them will come in time to meet again, I 'll start this process in the context of clever words about " marketing ".

Fed, your " History of 4 artists and the girl " only confirms that it is not necessary to measure the total merochkoy artists and apply " the same methods ... " .
Why can a plumber to come and fix it ( dozhili! ) , and the artist can come and paint ?
Because plumbing job is to do what he has written in the diploma .
And the work of the artist - to think is.
Never hire artists to paint .

[Fed]

You know, the debate about " creators " - about anything , especially in this thread.
Do you think that the four " neosilivshih " yavyat something ? Or the more will decide ?

The bulk of manufactures , as written here , izoproduktsiyu . It would be 20 years out of a garbage just because thrift citizens, or faith in a miracle.

Ie or create something or " paint " is not normally able to . But education documents have .
Not interested , but really and artists push through bribes through objects ?

[Сергей Дородный]

Сообщение от Fed

You know, the debate about " creators " - about anything , especially in this thread.
Do you think that the four " neosilivshih " yavyat something ? Or the more will decide ?

 

I'm not a " creator - netvorets " I inability of even ordinary ordinary artists ( in this case four confirmed experiment) to act in the logic of marketing, commodity production and service delivery.
Or do you think that Picasso would have lost your job ?

[Pablo]

Sergey burly, I still think that artists fall into , so to speak , and not commercial . Here's how the rankings.
If we assume an artist man spotting brush on the canvas . Commercial - the one who carries out orders . Acting on the request . Nonprofit - wrote that. what he wants .
But in any case - as always a matter of money and in fact this face is so thin that almost not visible to the naked eye , or rather with the notion of art as such .

[Сергей Дородный]

Pablo almost agree with you , it's up nuances .

When asked Tarkovsky " Andrei Tarkovsky , this is the movie and the movie .
Can you shed some light as that ? "He brilliantly replied," There is cinema , and there kinoshou "

There is a picture - containing -the-art , and there is a picture - Naturally does not contain the-art ( picture show ) . This is the main difference, rather than commercial , a non-profit .
Because is that commercial - Mr. nobody wanted, and sometimes non-profit snapping like pies .

[Pablo]

Sergey burly, what you said - the same thing that I said <! - ~ 1 ~ ->) commercial - that is evaluated.
and only now appreciate money.
Here you have a parallel with the show.

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question:

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Yeah, Russian , so here it is -
as I understand it , refers to the Russian contemporary art market .
Question .. : and we have where the market for contemporary art is?
Where operate successfully understand the essence of marketing processes and control algorithms ? Where , tell me? Poke your finger or at least show the direction of the hand - "out there ".
And then I have the impression that the contemporary art market operators traded somewhere or in a parallel world , or possess more skills and conspiracy. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

The long answer :

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Do you think that the potential purchasers of works of art is not enough information and if this information will be more and more will buy ?

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Normal artist just to talk to you will not: deeds of sale of his works has been or gallery , or his agent

Ask themselves hard questions and do them confidently answer <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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Сообщение от Mikhalych

Modern buying . And I'm including . And others know who is buying . And not one .
Just buy modern ones who understand that this is the segment where neraskruchenny can ( and eventually will love and will ) shoot the most .
Purchased by those who can not invest a year or two or five , and 10-15-20 . Although more often bounces vystrelivaya )))

You belong to the category of the great collectors who buy not like that , and more , that " bounces vystrelivaya ) ) .) There are other categories ..
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Сообщение от Jasmin

Sergey burly, I can cite another case , no less funny. Also from useful tips. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

To one gallery owner , which were the work of Van Gogh , a man came and asked him for advice , what picture of contemporary artists buy to leave a good legacy grandchildren and properly invest . However, his gaze focused on the " Red Vineyard at Arles " . Gallerist followed the direction of his gaze and said - yes, the right choice is very good work . And who is the artist ? - Asked the potential buyer - It is not known , and an unusual style . No, buy Single something more traditional. And he bought a classic watercolors known at the time of the author. For the same money . And he was very happy with my purchase . <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
20 years have passed . To host galleries son of a buyer comes and brings that same work , and asks for help to sell it , because the family is impoverished and very much in need . Gallerist remembered all the circumstances the purchase of twenty years ago , and said :
- Does your father was able to buy Red Vineyard Van Gogh , for the same money , which he bought for this academic watercolor . Now the work of Van Gogh hanging in a museum , I paid for it a huge amount . And the fact that you brought , I will not attempt to sell even half the price than the one in which your father bought it .

I do not know what the moral of the story . <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Sorry son, but the moral is simple - Viae Domini imperceptae sunt!.