Prospects for the Russian market

[sportsmen]

I had the honor to speak with one serious Russian collector , antiquarian . He is engaged in this favorite work from ancient times . So he told me that in Russia, for the antiquary times were very bad. His main thesis:

- In Russia there is a huge degradation of the whole culture , including - the culture of collecting art. People becoming more primitive, and they are interested in Mercedes cars , boats , real estate , diamonds - but not art .

What, in your opinion, do you assess the antique market in Russia?

[Pavel]

Сообщение от sportsmen

I had the honor to speak with one serious Russian collector , antiquarian . He is engaged in this favorite work from ancient times . So he told me that in Russia, for the antiquary times were very bad. His main thesis:

- In Russia there is a huge degradation of the whole culture , including - the culture of collecting art. People becoming more primitive, and they are interested in Mercedes cars , boats , real estate , diamonds - but not art .

What, in your opinion, do you assess the antique market in Russia ?

Art objects , most reliable and profitable investment . The fact that this market simply does not exist , or rather, underground , that is, farmed out to criminals , shows the inability of authorities to organize even the most profitable projects . Also, it shows the existence of insolvency in this country of liberal values ​​and the need to strengthen the role of the state.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Pavel; 1779773"

It also suggests the existence of insolvency in this country of liberal values ​​and the need to strengthen the role of the state.

That's right!
That's how good it was previously under Stalin : the role of the state as an effort in the 37th , so everybody started as a nice little run to buy works of art .
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[sergejnowo]

Сообщение от sportsmen; 1779653"

In Russia there is a huge degradation of the whole culture, including - the culture of collecting art.

Сообщение от Pavel; 1779773"

Art objects, most reliable and profitable investment.

around the bush a lot ... all >
As an example, on the situation on the antiques market in Germany in 30 years.
In the 80s - 90s of last century, the well-being in Germany has reached unprecedented heights.
"Children of War", the defeated, have reached adulthood and have gained a lot of money.
Important prerequisites for the development of the antique market in the face ... and the market pulled.
At that time, prices for German and European paintings, antique furniture 18th - 19th centuries, antique PDI went up no worse than the Russian antiques in the 2000 - 2007. Auction houses, "crying" with happiness.

The years go by "children of war" go to another world, the collection are the heirs.
Recently, auction houses, "crying", but no joy.
These collections are the heirs ago, during the auction houses, where mothers and fathers of 20 - 30 years ago bought the masterpieces of German tradition and spread the old, original account to purchase items on the table. Naturally they want at least nominally to return his money, "ancestors" back.
And then there are all sorts of ethical problems. Prices have fallen, usually in 2 - 3 times. Some subjects, especially the DPI and furniture, leftist or "tuning" of the old items with little value ..... etc.
What do auction houses?
Reluctantly teeth exhibit these items up for auction (you can not completely lose "face"), just knowing that they will not leave.

The question whether the new generation under the impression that as a "flying" their ancestors, to invest in art?

[artcol]

Сообщение от sergejnowo

around it all ... a lot >
As an example, on the situation on the antiques market in Germany in 30 years.
In the 80s - 90s of last century, the well-being in Germany has reached unprecedented heights.
"Children of War", the defeated, have reached adulthood and have gained a lot of money.
Important prerequisites for the development of the antique market in the face ... and the market pulled.
At that time, prices for German and European paintings, antique furniture 18th - 19th centuries, antique PDI went up no worse than the Russian antiques in the 2000 - 2007. Auction houses, "crying" with happiness.

The years go by "children of war" go to another world, the collection are the heirs.
Recently, auction houses, "crying", but no joy.
These collections are the heirs ago, during the auction houses, where mothers and fathers of 20 - 30 years ago bought the masterpieces of German tradition and spread the old, original account to purchase items on the table. Naturally they want at least nominally to return his money, "ancestors" back.
And then there are all sorts of ethical problems. Prices have fallen, usually in 2 - 3 times. Some subjects, especially the DPI and furniture, leftist or "tuning" of the old items with little value ..... etc.
What do auction houses?
Reluctantly teeth exhibit these items up for auction (you can not completely lose "face"), just knowing that they will not leave.

The question whether the new generation under the impression that as a "flying" their ancestors, to invest in art?

Why are back? Fin. position correct?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от artcol

Fin.
position correct?

Not all the heirs of the same tastes coincide with the collectors.
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[artcol]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran, 1780053

Not all the same tastes coincide with the heirs of the collectors.
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The case may be, and not in taste.
Although this is also the reason mb.

[sergejnowo]

Сообщение от artcol; 1780073"

It might not be in their tastes . Although this is also the reason mb .

for the most part still in their tastes .
In a modern interior with furniture from Ikea almost all antiques are not glued.
The new generation prefers to live in a city apartment , the old generation lived in the houses at 200 - 300 m2.
The number of antique utensils with 200 - 300 m2 does not fit into the already arranged an apartment at 100 m2.

[artcol]

Сообщение от sergejnowo

for the most part still in their tastes .
In a modern interior with furniture from Ikea almost all antiques are not glued.
The new generation prefers to live in a city apartment , the old generation lived in the houses at 200 - 300 m2.
The number of antique utensils with 200 - 300 m2 does not fit into the already arranged an apartment at 100 m2 .

Sehr gut, if so . Just usually have other reasons, especially if they want get the money back "ancestors" back .

[sergejnowo]

Сообщение от artcol; 1780133"

just generally have other reasons, especially if they want to return the money "ancestors" back

my personal opinion , except for the speculators and amateur antiquarians, few people here vlazhivaet money in antiques with hope in ten years acquire 200 - 300%. Here people do not earn money or the privatization of foreign firms capture the competition , with money and obraschatsya can look at these things realistically. Much of the same love for prekrastnomu .... Although factors such as " I have steeper" or " too like " also on face.
Of course, dozens of " millions " of sales in the European market in the year , is not a measure of investment sentiment in the market.