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[fabosch]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

A Imagine that GRMu and GTG were allowed to sell at a top-end stuff Filonov and Deineki respectively. Let's say, "Peasant Family" or "The Feast of Kings" and mentioned "The construction of new shops," or "defense of Petrograd."
That more cost will be?

This genre is called "alternative history".
Cyril, I think that if it happened exactly as you describe, then Filonov would cost more. After all, it in private hands there is little, in contrast to Deineki. But if, let's make a gradual sale of the museum and the entire museum Filonov Deineki (I hope we do not read the staff of SRM and TG), here too I do not know what would have happened

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Сообщение от Konstantin

Yes, any image Filonov will be around one million. And as oil ...

Again, Constantine, because they are not, as yet (which is also very important for the market) they have nowhere to take (after all, Filonov virtually nothing to sell). In these circumstances, any case even the appearance of the figure Filonov perceive as a miracle, which for all their lives can no longer see. A rating (for stated his hosts) - obktivnaya score artistic value, rather than market conjuncture

[Konstantin]

Сообщение от fabosch; 1323931"

But if, let's make a gradual sale of the museum and the entire museum Filonov Deineki (I hope we do not read the staff of SRM and TG), here too I do not know what would have happened

Yes, what is there to know something. Filonov at the first world of names, hence the cost will be well - many millions. Deineka good artist.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Konstantin

Yes, what is there to know something. Filonov at the first world of names, hence the cost will be well - many millions. Deineka good artist.

"At the level of the first names of the world" - it's you bent
Theoretical expensive Filonov explained solely by its absence in the market (but vnerossiyskie museums do not hurt grieving). Deineka really good zudozhnik, immeasurably above Filonov (but, unfortunately, vnerossiyskie museums is also not particularly interested).

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Art-ort; 1323621"

You'll have all the same type "AB"))) Here Deineka you Filonov 1A and 1A-where is the logic?? Dana

A good example of the introduction of categories correctly. Both artists have expressed perfectly what conscious. And his age. You can argue just about the cost. And then it turns out, and only through the auction, it is a matter of private preference, ie, someone like that. Or the question of gambling investors, their assumptions, who is etihudozhnikov then be a more expensive currency. And it will also be private, can be a mistake. Same category of AB and has no categories, ie, nearly a half-hearted discussion of the abolition of the division.

[Ольга Озолина]

Сообщение от Art-ort

You'll have all the same type "AB"))) Here Deineka you Filonov 1A and 1A-where is the logic?? Deineka certainly not painted portraits of the leaders, but also in the case of sugar-free biscuits with no lived ... This is good, people admire these artists in the ranking with the same letters )))))))) Well, not ridiculous ...

If you approach on this principle, the letter will not suffice, because 1A is also Zverev, and Pimenov, and reservoirs, Falk, Chagall ... And more recently still, Dali, Marc ...
Better take a look then at the description of rating categories, it is very conditional and generalized, but it is better to transmit the basic principles of art history rating of:

http://rating.artunion.ru/normativ3.htm

1 - an artist of world fame, time-tested (at least one century).

1A - an artist of world renown.

1B - artist professional high class with outstanding organizational skills, enjoying the unconditional demand and popularity.

 

2A - artist professional high class with a distinct artistic personality.

2B - artist professional high-class, recognized and popular art market and the public.

 

3A - a professional artist with a recognizable personal style.

3B - A professional artist, a recognized and popular art market and the public.

 

4A - an experienced professional artist with creativity.

4B - an experienced professional artist, art market demanded.

 

5A - an established artist with creativity.

5B - formed a professional artist.

 

6A - an emerging artist with creativity.

6B - an emerging professional artist.

 

7 - amateur painter.

And you all about the price so the price of ... I already wrote that they were in the market are often formed on the principle of "Mr. X bought it, so I have to rush to buy!" And the amount of work the artist's beloved Mr. X is limited.

It is better to remember the "17 Moments of Spring." There, at the talks in Switzerland, General Wolff said that the hidden collection of paintings by some galleries (Dresden? Do not remember exactly), and pragmatic Dulles asked him: "And what may be the price of these paintings?", As Wolff says: "They do not have Prices (firm pause Lanovoy ), they are invaluable. "

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Сообщение от K-Maler

A good example of the introduction of categories correctly. Both artists have expressed perfectly what conscious. And his age. You can argue just about the cost.

You seriously believe that apart from the cost, with respect to positioning in the history of art of any artist, let alone such a controversial figure as Deineka, not argue about anything? With Filonov easier, but, believe me, not much.

I already wrote that the price for art - just one of the landmarks.

Offers an example: if we imagine the sale of not only Deineki or Filonov of THG, but Glazunov or Shilov from their museums, I have no confidence, who will be more expensive and who is cheaper "And what Compared with the prices of Tsereteli price of Berlin or Frangulyan?

[qwerty]

Сообщение от LCR

"Deineka really good zudozhnik, immeasurably above Filonov.

Nana, I think you are too harsh in the estimates. I do not really understand how you can compare so ideologically different artists, but I'm sure that many art lovers do not share your point of view, at least not so long ago, in company with Evgenia Petrova, agreed that the most likely Filonov - № 1 in Russian art, may be divided is a place with Kandinsky and Malevich.

[Ольга Озолина]

Сообщение от qwerty

Nana, I think you are too harsh in the estimates. I do not really understand how you can compare so ideologically different artists, but I'm sure that many art lovers do not share your point of view, at least not so long ago, in company with Evgenia Petrova, agreed that the most likely Filonov - № 1 in Russian art, may be divided is a place with Kandinsky and Malevich.

This is a very delicate issues, and on any of them can be opened and a separate forum topic, and defend a thesis

I personally mind and artistic experience, of course, support the position of Qwerty and EN Petrova (and in the West such a position is most commonly used), and heart, who will not order, I like Deineka.

EXP - a tool much more simple, and all these artists occupy a worthy place in 1A.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

Glazunov and Shilov in their museums, I have no confidence, who will be more expensive and who is cheaper

Look to these auctions!

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina; 1324241"

And that, in comparison with the prices of Tsereteli price of Berlin or Frangulyan?

And here are difficult to compare, I think.
Monumental sculpture-thing custom.
Albeit with Leonid L. was chambered plastic, and Frangulyan have things for home and family, reliefs, for example him.

[kr555]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina; 1324241"

1A - an artist of world renown.

And you could not say how much we all, in Russia, "world-renowned artists," according to the EXP? This is probably not very difficult to calculate. I'm just curious in this case, but really interesting, it is here in this category, see figure.

[Wladzislaw]

Сообщение от qwerty

agreed that the most likely Filonov - № 1 in Russian paintings could be divided is a place with Kandinsky and Malevich.

That's not forget there Filonov in 100 years? ... But Malevich and Kandinsky will always be present in the history of painting.