Abstract forever

[Самвел]

Сообщение от Art-lover

: who we still read and drive a horse to the driver ?

The theme itself is such that you can not even read all respond to the specific course voprosy.Po sprawl theme for me was so hard as when reading and P. Florensky. I envy you ( both ) that can not so well - cast over thoughts and words simultaneously . After all, how many can enjoy , knowing how to do it , even at the time of writing. This is a tragedy ignorance , you know just by a little , so the average man in the street , something between the ignorant and the intelligentsia. Passivated before write intelligent , had a look at Yandex .

[fabosch]

Сообщение от Samvel

Before writing intelligent, had a look at Yandex.

That's what makes this intellectual: neintelligent nowhere to look did not, as it in no doubt.

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от Samvel

I envy you ( both ) that can not so well - cast over the thoughts and words simultaneously . After all, how many can enjoy , knowing how to do it , even at the time of writing.

Samvel, reading your posts , I have repeatedly pointed out that your world view is original and profound , that you manage to not getting stuck in a web of words , just and wise to express the important things . I'm glad that you are viewing this topic : Your point of view is interesting , and in witchcraft you are an expert .

Fabosh, my delayed reaction - in my previous post .

[fabosch]

Сообщение от Art-lover

Now, when we are in adequate space, I would like to clarify the question : does it concern only the above psevdoprotov or allowed vzeshivat All psevdoabstraktsionistov "( ie, artists , free to use along with the " pure "abstract associated with the real world of forms ) - extending the time frame to the present day ?

I think it is just more interesting to throw nonsense Yan wider, hoping to accidentally catch again so gentle and vulnerable soul Comrade . Guriev and thereby causing a new Komsomol massacre , which he maintains self- Most essential , and maybe someone else will be sensitive to rinse reputations realists .
After all, the good is the goal imaginable - is to stir up a silent " psevdorealisticheskuyu "plant

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от fabosch

if you say Comrade. Guryev, that Comrade. Vrubel was one step away from becoming the father of abstract art instead of the venerable Comrade. Kandinsky, I am afraid he is very upset for us and with the same enthusiasm will be a pioneer for Vrkbelya war, dragging the rope on their side

1) Black Bp to on thewhitening not otmoesh white.

2) You never know who was one step away from his destruction.
Neither Matisse or Picasso did not abstraktivistami, although both younger than Kandinsky.
They just were not interested in this: try to imagine and portray who knows what.
Pick any topic: the room with Matisse, Picasso woman.
You so very much interested in what it is that or any other room or one or another woman?
Room and a woman - it is an occasion. Important - the transfiguration of genius and create an image from them.

And there is no way of Kandinsky, for the image - it is always an image of something.

So the abstract - art - ugly, which makes and ugly.

Enthusiasm about me too much.
You, comrade. Fabosh, I will forgive any liberties in advance and for all.

In my opinion, in abstractionism no one simple thing, but that very simple thing, which is one of the key elements without which there is no art: matter.

And the room, and a woman, and the flowers are merely a pretext for the artist.

What is the reason for abstraktivista?
Neto had this.

Anna Petrovna Kern was merely a pretext for Pushkin. Could be another reason.
But there is reason must always be.
And the reason it only gives the surrounding "reality."

Just do not about the music, this is a very special art form, when pure harmony and pure melodies condescend to the composer of the highest spheres ....

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от fabosch

I think it is just fun, throw a dragnet wider again in the hope of accidentally catch so gentle and vulnerable soul Comrade. Guriev and thereby causing a new Komsomol massacre, which he maintains self-Most essential, and maybe someone else will be sensitive to rinse reputations realists.
After all, the good is the goal imaginable - is to stir up a silent "psevdorealisticheskuyu" plant

Translate from Aesopian language your idea: "Why would two hungry donam not dine with fellow Guryev?". E.. for my taste this dish is somewhat hard on the stomach and is better suited to strengthen teeth as chewing gum, but once your gastronomic preferences are - give Comrade. Gurieva you to consume. Especially because you have to have this indulgence:

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

you, comrade. Fabosh, I will forgive any liberties in advance and for all.

Bon Appetit, fabosch

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor; 1587943"

And the room, and a woman, and the flowers are merely a pretext for the artist.

What is the reason for abstraktivista?

Would have been nectar, and there is a reason. )

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor; 1587943"

And there is no way of Kandinsky, for the image - it is always an image of something.

So the abstract - art - ugly, which makes and ugly.

About Kandinsky and pure ugly abstractions - it is, please, to Comrade. Tiutchev.
We now mesim zone between two worlds, and wallow in dirty, associative abstractions.

[Самвел]

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

In my opinion, in abstractionism no one simple thing, but that very simple thing, which is one of the key elements without which there is no art: Cause.

Once, while walking one strange city, and making pictures, I wanted to do fotorafiyu moon in the night that she was between the two minarets of the mosque, which is in the city. This city is like a nut, deserted and destroyed, and easy to get lost. I pibyl in place already temnelo.Sdelav multiple photos, talking to himself, suddenly, I felt that I did not see it was very dark, no sound, except for a spring nearby, but I have not seen it. The moon had disappeared somewhere. Instinctively I began to worry, sometimes in terror, he had to score with the idea, but I could not help myself. And suddenly I began to haunt me, the images Madelshtama (which happens in these places), Dante, Ovid, Paradjanov, some sheep, young, but the evil-looking, I began to move to a spring, which I heard came and washed with water, and suddenly remembered the words of M., that drink from these springs is impossible, but I washed it seemed to me that I washed the blood, whom to call for help, Mandelstam, but it is too menacing appearance, the more I was washed up, Dante?, he passed , Paradjanov all laughed, my only salvation, I saw the metamorphosis of Ovid ................................... Finally beginning to dawn, I thought that salvation has come, but to open barely barely contours even more exacerbated my situation, I closed my eyes. When I opened them I was already light, the first thing I saw only a few meters away from me on a makeshift bench, slept peacefully local old man, then found his fotoaparat that I lost during the extraordinary session abstraktoterapii. Attach photographs from the scene. With your permission, will illustrate the theme with Parajanov. Sermons better listen when you do not know the language.

[DSF]

Сообщение от Guriev, Igor

And there is no way of Kandinsky, for the image - it is always an image of something. So the abstract - art - ugly, which makes and ugly.
In my opinion, in abstractionism no one simple thing, but that very simple thing, which is one of the key elements without which there is no art: matter.

Igor Sasha we repeated the words Comrade. Pushkin: "The mind can not be satisfied with some toys harmony, imagination requires pictures and stories.

This is certainly true. However, this does not negate the existence of the art "toys harmony" and does not mean that they should be set aside with disgust. Yes, in the abstract there is no "images" and direct "visual reasons." Well, so what? Why would an artist-colorist not to "play" sometimes with pure color harmonies?
If Igor Sasha is not able to feel and accept this "game" - is his personal characteristics, so it works.

Сообщение от Art-lover

We now mesim zone between two worlds, and wallow in dirty, associative abstractions.

There is a practical dilemma. On the one hand, the abstractionist painter simplifies the form, ie, operates more or less simple geometric designs and markings. This allows us to concentrate on color. Discarding all that call volume, perspective, light and shade, "performance", "Contouring", etc. This greatly facilitates and simplifies the job - no need to worry about a zillion things. At first, it's very nice, you feel right yet physical pleasure - how great that one should not draw any ear ...

On the other hand, after a while you start to experience difficulties. The soul requires diversity and abstract artist pushes a fairly narrow framework. The result is a feeling that you walk in a circle, repeating the same thing over and over again.

And here is us and helps to "associative abstraction. We, like, again, did not bother (ears we draw all the same not be ), but at the same time, a little diversity and complexity of work, adding a hint of "image". Many artists have successfully balance on this face.

[Игорь Гурьев]

Сообщение от DSF

Igor Sasha us repeats the words of Comrade . Pushkin : " The mind can not be satisfied with some toys harmony , imagination requires pictures and stories ».

Nothing I can not repeat .
I myself came to this .
As for me Pushkin .
How to Pushkin Aristotle .
Etc.
Until Altamirskoy caves ( dvadtsatsemtyschletnazad ) .

This is certainly true. However, this does not negate the existence of the art " toys harmony " and does not mean that they should be set aside with disgust . Yes , in the abstract there is no "images " and direct " visual reasons . " Well , so what ? Why would an artist - colorist not to "play " sometimes with pure color harmonies ?
If Igor Sasha is not able to feel and perceive this " game " - is his personal characteristics, so it works .

I'm sorry , but he remembered a story from my favorite poet Nikolai Glazkov .
About personal characteristics and about what's inside the poet .

[Игорь Гурьев]

But in general I have the impression that .

What people are ashamed to put " Senka " because he wants to hunger ONE " TRUTH " ...

Personally, I boldly put Senka all those who write well , regardless of their "accessories " , tesket .

And ArtLover writes well , and Comrade . Fabosh no less .

Most uzhasTnoe - it popytatstso form a united opinion about art .