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Сообщение от Deco

Kyiv School in general is somewhat apart from the canonical Russian icons.

I Kiev and Leskov's work have mentioned as an example of "labor migration" "Old Believers. They are everywhere there were, everyone saw, even then in Paris went for the painting.
Not so dense they were just blyuli faith of their fathers and in this firm were hundreds of years.

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Сообщение от Deco

That is, if we talk about the same Stroganovskoe letter.

Donikonovskoe letter, ie, the Old Believers, canonical.

[Деко]

Сообщение от redbor

where in the 19 century "zhivopodobnuyu icon" written all

About zhivopodobnuyu it does not refer. Compare to comparable - the canonical letter to the various branches of Orthodoxy.

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Quote Natalia Brunet, rather, her article in the magazine "Antiques".
"On the technical side of Suzdal icon represents a much simplified version of the iconography, but they nesomennno had their artistic merit and special expressiveness."
... "I would like to stay on the artistic aspect of the Old Believer icons. As a general rule, there is" masterpieces ", there is no national" entity. "Icons of the 18 th - 20 th centuries show honed professional skills, has experienced the impact of folk traditions" .
It is not against the obvious truth that the Old Believers preserve the canonical letter, which in the 19 th century began to displace the provincial version of academic writing.

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Сообщение от redbor

Only the Old Believers remained canonical letter, when in 19 century "zhivopodobnuyu icon" written all - from rural to metropolitan Bogomazov artist-academics.
And the quality of writing - what to say.
Take the icon of the Old Believers Syzran Nevyansk, Podolia ...
and compare it with the icons of the same time written in the official church.
The refinement of the letter, following the canon, a riot of color is Oldritualist icon.

Absolutely. Old Believers are very good, our southern Vilkovo, Kiliya even 15-16 Novgorod recall.

Сообщение от Deco

My message is simply that any closed society is doomed to decay.

This is a controversial statement.

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Сообщение от Deco

to compare the incomparable - the canonical letter to the various branches of Orthodoxy.

And by the way who was writing the canon at the time? In the canon of the Old Believers believe in purity.

[redbor]

Сообщение от Deco

quote Natalia Brunet, rather, her article in the magazine "Antiques".

And who is - Natalia Brunet?
She is right that Old Believer "icon of the 18 th - 20 th centuries showing honed professional skills."
 

Сообщение от Deco

About zhivopodobnuyu it does not refer. Compare to comparable - the canonical letter to the various branches of Orthodoxy.

Deco, and you can to compare the show "nestarobryadcheskie" icons 18-19. cc. canonical letter, of equal skill starobryadcheskim? Probably, no.
18-th century is already fryaz, Baroque and then zhivopodobnaya icon, and then simply akademka lithography

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Сообщение от redbor

Oldritualist icon, 19 century. School no.
Province may Volga.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

The dating of the agreement, but to the "Old Believers" letter falls short, in my opinion, and simple, the faces so simple "village".

Сообщение от mihailovoh

bob,
A seed icon 19go.provintsialnaya zhivopis.rasprostranenny syuzhet.bolshoy values are not represented.

I started a discussion solely about the fact that Kirill noted that the level of painting an icon falls short of being numbered with Old Believers. Logically, on the contrary, any Old Believer icons should be performed at a high level.
It was against this, I replied. Ie Cyril said it is not, I drew this conclusion from his remarks.
I'm on ЮЮЮ somehow put some of its icons - Arkady, whose opinion I trust, to attribute them as the Old Believers of average letter (and then probably did not want to upset me). Ie They are of average letter, "privintsialnogo style" or is it me in this regard has rarikov buy? All the masterpieces of old-believers - and I have a provincial rariki?
In the literature, read that in only one Palekh for one year imported hundreds of thousands of boards (there were no specific figures) - go carts carts. It was also written that appeared somewhat dismissive some are saying about Palekh icon. Not a very good idea of what can be only one village per year to write a few hundred thousand masterpieces.
It is not in any way contradicts the fact that the village had families who for generations to paint icons really high level. And now again subjected to obstruction and will be ostracized ...
And all the rest (about staroobryadnichestva role in preserving the traditions of Orthodoxy, and icons) do not need to convince me - it truisms.

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Сообщение от bob

brought just such an icon. Kovcheg.21h17, 5cm. Whose school? Age? Price?

Not a bad icon. Letter to the average. Save on the level.
Selling?

[bob]

Сообщение от smoker

Not a bad icon. Letter to the average. Save on the level.
Selling?

 While not sell.

[smoker]

bob, far-fetched, knock into lichku.

[redbor]

Сообщение от Deco

I started a discussion solely about the fact that Kirill noted that the level of painting an icon falls short of being numbered with Old Believers. Logically, on the contrary, any Old Believer icons should be performed at a high level.

 Among the Old Believer icons have a high level of writing and mediocre, skoropiski.
Cyril, apparently. not expressed;
- This icon, though not high letters, of course, written by the Old Believers.
Following the canonical model of 16 th century and the ark - immediately talking about it

[mihailovoh]

Deco,
Maybe because I come across.? But 19y-Palekh and Old Believer icons can only see a good level. if not spoiled restorers * * Kiril correctly put it.
Even without expensive 19th is rare and very rare (just purchased)