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Сообщение от redbor

Oldritualist icon, 19 century

From dating agrees, but the Old Believers to the letter falls short, in my opinion, and simple, the faces of so simple "village"

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

The dating of the agreement, but to the "Old Believers" letter falls short, in my opinion, and simple, the faces so simple "village".

Cyril and Old Believer icons in principle, if not mistaken, are not a model of high letters. They are always written away from schools and centers of icon painting. Another thing, adhered to the canons of iconography.

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Сообщение от Deco

if not mistaken, are not a model of high letters.

I think you are mistaken.

Сообщение от Deco

They are always written away from schools and centers of icon painting.

Never mind, branch, Nev'jansk and Syzran all already know very well, though not centers.
What centers? Some references in the literature. In the real market, there is no longer the icons with a strong school, and about the school could talk about the icons of the 16 th century. And later had what the school? Thus, regional centers ...

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I am not saying that these centers of the Old Believers are unknown. The point is that the Old Believers are inherently limited in opportunities to improve their writing. For development in any case necessary as it is now said to be creative communication. Features of Old Believers in this respect are not comparable with their counterparts from Solvichegodsk or the same in Moscow. Wealthy clients have the opportunity to invite the best, in their view, icon painters from a particular region. And the field has learned a new, takes over the new. In the end, the Byzantine icon painters taught our. Otherwise, what would we have at the source?
By the way, and the distinctive features of a school of icon painting largely erased because that's such migrations - the people of Pskov were riding in Tver, Novgorod people were invited to Moscow. And on the outskirts of vseda letter was simple - northern letter, for example.

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Сообщение от Deco

The point is that the Old Believers are inherently limited in opportunities to improve their letter.

Why?

Сообщение от Deco

Rich, customers have the opportunity to invite the best, in their view, icon painters of this or that region.

Most customers were wealthy merchants of the Old Believers.
And by the way, the effect of Leskov's "The Sealed Angel" is happening in your city.

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Kyiv School in general is somewhat apart from the canonical Russian icon.
A rich Old Believers still invited to the Old Believers same. My message is simply that any closed society is doomed to decay.
Here, if we talk about the same Stroganovskoe letter. Many researchers Stroganov school does not consider itself in the usual sense. Ownership were Stroganoff, they invited to their best ikonopitsev from various regions, including Moscow. In fact, created a new center of icon painting. A classic example of how financial investment and create conditions for the work contributed to the creation of first-class masterpieces.
Of course, the Old Believers not to isolate themselves completely. We loved book icons in Palekh, Kholui. But still, "provincial" - largely about the Old Believers.

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Сообщение от Deco

Kyiv School in general is somewhat apart from the canonical Russian icons.

I Kiev and Leskov's work have mentioned as an example of "labor migration" "Old Believers. They are everywhere there were, everyone saw, even then in Paris went for the painting.
Not so dense they were just blyuli faith of their fathers and in this firm were hundreds of years.

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Сообщение от Deco

That is, if we talk about the same Stroganovskoe letter.

Donikonovskoe letter, ie, the Old Believers, canonical.

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Сообщение от "Deco, 822,861

and Old Believer icons in principle, if not mistaken, are not model high letters.

Only the Old Believers remained canonical letter, when in 19 century" zhivopodobnuyu icon "written all - from rural Bogomazov to the capital's art-academics.
 And the quality of writing - what to say.
 Take the icon of the Old Believers Syzran Nevyansk, Podolia ...
 and compare it with the icons of the same time written in the official church.
The refinement of the letter, following the canon, a riot of color is the icon of the Old Believers.

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Сообщение от redbor

where in the 19 century "zhivopodobnuyu icon" written all

About zhivopodobnuyu it does not refer. Compare to comparable - the canonical letter to the various branches of Orthodoxy.

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Quote Natalia Brunet, rather, her article in the magazine "Antiques".
"On the technical side of Suzdal icon represents a much simplified version of the iconography, but they nesomennno had their artistic merit and special expressiveness."
... "I would like to stay on the artistic aspect of the Old Believer icons. As a general rule, there is" masterpieces ", there is no national" entity. "Icons of the 18 th - 20 th centuries show honed professional skills, has experienced the impact of folk traditions" .
It is not against the obvious truth that the Old Believers preserve the canonical letter, which in the 19 th century began to displace the provincial version of academic writing.

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Сообщение от Deco

quote Natalia Brunet, rather, her article in the magazine "Antiques".

And who is - Natalia Brunet?
She is right that Old Believer "icon of the 18 th - 20 th centuries showing honed professional skills."
 

Сообщение от Deco

About zhivopodobnuyu it does not refer. Compare to comparable - the canonical letter to the various branches of Orthodoxy.

Deco, and you can to compare the show "nestarobryadcheskie" icons 18-19. cc. canonical letter, of equal skill starobryadcheskim? Probably, no.
18-th century is already fryaz, Baroque and then zhivopodobnaya icon, and then simply akademka lithography