"Theft, forgery" as a separate section of the forum

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Сообщение от vyadem

probably should not use the phrase "theft" and such "dubious origin" or the like ...

I would like to recall that the "theft" is a criminal act. And if not prove the fact of "theft", the answer on paper for libel and for moral uscherba.Tak that, be careful with opredeleniyami.Reestr samples "dubious origin"
up 80%from rotating on the market materiala.Krome to the criteria of "uncertainty" everyone has his own - that takes some PUPKIN and declare that all of your pictures "of dubious origin "..... same thing with fakes ... . Try arguments declare the forgery, and in return will tell another tale has been taken and brought from London, with an iron and Provenance signed by the nephew of Mariupolya.A sells, he also wants to eat and his children, and spent on the production again . Also make it any more what can not ..... Here and chose this art profession. Purchase "falshaka" is a good incentive to study the object.
So, the new pile sections with amateur lists more interesting material to fill the existing, the more there is estimation and examination.

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Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

I would like to recall that the "theft" is a criminal offense

You still say that all the information about the origin of the paintings are best build in the militia.
Tell me more, Ukrainian or Russia's court - the fair trial world.
The only reliable way to protect themselves from theft - do not allow themselves to rob.
If you do not advance to protect themselves from theft, lost will not return. There is a saying "forewarned - forearmed.
When you know in advance about the specific facts of fraud is much easier to avoid the nuisance in the future.
P.S.
If so take some PUPKIN and declare that all of your pictures "dubious origin" without justification, that same PUPKIN publicly show its inadequacy.

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The question of public name-calling "stolen" or "fake" is not as simple as it seems at first glance.
We should not forget that the art market in post-Soviet space and in the environment of its residents abroad, there by historical standards all anything. More recently, buying works from their authors or by collectors made without issuing any documents. Often these were gifts for the artists and and other support. Well, if the artist is alive, and you stayed with him on friendly terms. And if not? Unscrupulous heirs, if they provide a secure platform, may well be publicly accuse you of stealing, even if for reasons of eliminating competitors. And you immediately acquire the reputation of a man who "either stolen, or whether he had stolen, in general, with whom it is better not to communicate.

With counterfeiting more difficult. Imagine a situation where you know that the product is a rough copy of this that you possess, and photos which you have survived. However, the relatives and heirs of unscrupulous (or unskilled, but recognized), experts say that a fake script. In the first and the second is a sufficiently strong motivation for such activity with almost complete impunity, and you, in the case of a public statement, either as a slanderer or malosveduschim.

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Сообщение от v_r

You still say that all the information about the origin of the paintings are best build in the militia.

I'm not talking about the theft as an event, but an indictment of someone in the commission.
If you want to steal - stolen. And not what locks are not pomogut.Osobenno if "put an eye" state. Unscrupulous heirs artists also did not graze the rear. In any case, the presence of a receipt, check on purchase or any other document certifying the right to own, today neobhodimo.No that is another topic.

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Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

I'm not talking about the theft as an event, but an indictment of someone in the commission.

Here, nobody do not blame anyone.

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

If you want to steal - steal

Who will buy? Buying stolen goods could seriously spoil the reputation.

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

Especially if the "eye put" the state.

In such cases, the more impossible to remain silent. We can not allow the State to get involved in expropriation.

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

Unscrupulous heirs artists also did not graze the rear.

I find it difficult to talk about unscrupulous heirs. I know very little.
On behalf of all the heirs of artists can not speak. I can only say about myself. Fakes do not know how. Donated, sold or even stolen (with the exception of one "Portrait of the daughter, ie me) do not ask to return. Some paintings had to buy.
I think that any bad faith on the need to fight the promulgation of confirmed facts.

Сообщение от VYACHESLAV

In any case, the presence of a receipt, check on purchase or any other document certifying the right to own, today we need

You are absolutely right.

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Regarding the check or receipt, it is already too seriously, because Many paintings were bought a long time and it is difficult to recall anyone. A random purchase at the collapse and flea markets, as in the past?