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[Мимопроходил]

Good day! Not fundamentally against the existence of such directories, but regularly feel uncomfortable because of the "Appendix № 4", reckoning that's who these "price recommendations"? Artist painter strife, the picture-picture - also, how is it all one size? Well, for example, dedulya37, Alexander will agree to give a full and father's work s /m 50x60 prescribed for 5200? On the other hand, ten times brought mediocre pictures of little-known artists and confidently asked for it tysch 50 rubles, and a condescending smile on my finger poked in EXP, where his rating of "much as four!" recommend to ask 2400 dollars (yes, plus elegant frame !!!"). After which the parties disagreed extremely dissatisfied with each other. Question - for whom these recommendations for consumers? For sellers? Neither of the themes in the end, alas.

[Ольга Озолина]

I here one more thing that came to mind.

Too many artists are even lower categories (I mean living) support EXP. For them, EXP - a chance to stay in the history of art, and they understand it. But many against, and at this forum we see it. Why?

Because EXP - it is really the media not only formally but also in fact. He brings to the mass user information.

All used to that seen in the media? That newspaper, for example, of a certain artist X category 5A. Writes that he is talented, hopeful, and sometimes that of a genius call, compares to a young Repin, Russian Bosch's "call (and so to read about a young artist had to!), Indicate that he is - one of the best, largest, wonderful ... Pleasant artist X, of course!

And now let's see what the artist wrote EXP H.

There Repin - "artist of world fame, time-tested, there Stozharau - artist professional high-class, recognized and popular art market and the public," there Basov - "A professional artist with a recognizable personal style, there are some in the 4A and 4B ... And there are X - an established artist with a creative potential, "5A.
This is not so nice, of course. No one here would call an artist X "Russian Bosch" Bosch - Boshovo and ICSU - <!--~ 'X 1 "->
That's why many artists, and against EXP. Ambitions, you know

And in fact, respected artists, art history should be put above their own ambitions. Want to be like Repin and Bosch, so be as they are, in reality, in art history, and not in the imagination of the newsman who writes about you praise (often custom: mad article.

Oh, it's hard? Of course, it's hard. It is easier to praise a newspaper article about his book, it's easier EXP curse

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Сообщение от Mimoprohodil

Good morning! Not fundamentally against the existence of such directories, but regularly feel uncomfortable because of the "Appendix № 4", reckoning that's who these "price recommendations"? Artist painter strife, the picture-picture - also, how is it all one size? Well, for example, dedulya37, Alexander will agree to give a full and father's work s /m 50x60 prescribed for 5200? On the other hand, ten times brought mediocre pictures of little-known artists and confidently asked for it tysch 50 rubles, and a condescending smile on my finger poked in EXP, where his rating of "much as four!" recommend to ask 2400 dollars (yes, plus elegant frame !!!"). After which the parties disagreed extremely dissatisfied with each other. Question - for whom these recommendations for consumers? For sellers? Neither of the themes in the end, alas.

Norm:
http://rating.artunion.ru/normativ4.htm

prices are recommended minimum social at work today (working and living) artists.

From myself I say: there are 5200 dollars, what a condescending smile because of 50000 rubles.? There are thousands of artists, which would be $ 300 medium format oil to sell - and the happiness!
Sorry, but no one is hungry fed

So the main objective of price recommendations - social protection of those, who need it.
We have them once in his time refused, and a couple of issues EXP went out without them. But then had to return. We are very requested by those for whom it is at least a chance to bargain with the buyer for a 300, but at least a $ 400

It happens like this: a buyer offers the artist, say, $ 500 for the painting, and he shows he EXP and says: here is for my general category of 2000, and I'll willing to give for 1500. In the end, converge in 1000.

[Мимопроходил]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

On my own I say: there are 5200 dollars, what a condescending smile because of 50000 rubles.? There are thousands of artists, which would be $ 300 medium format oil to sell - and the happiness!
Sorry, but no one is hungry fed

So the main objective of price recommendations - social protection of those, who need it.
We have them once in his time refused, and a couple of issues EXP went out without them. But then had to return. We are very requested by those for whom it is at least a chance to bargain with the buyer for a 300, but at least a $ 400

It happens like this: a buyer offers the artist, say, $ 500 for the painting, and he shows he EXP and says: here is for my general category of 2000, and I'll willing to give for 1500. In the end, converge by 1000.

Olga, please do not boil, do not get angry, I write completely in order to "throw mud". What is the process of sale here, most know very well. For me personally, these recommendations Directory - related information, not more, because there are sales statistics (very clearly presented, for example, in the same database artinvestmenta), Ultima ratio. But the extra illusion seller who saw some figures as a recommendation - quite useless. And what you call "social protection" in the form of categories and price recommendations - is the possibility of artificial influence on the process. Demand in the market, sales at the time of the transaction is an objective fact, and tsiferki recommendations in the handbook - subjective. On canvas work, rather than figure rating, and if I would buy it for 500 then buy the 500, well 550. Just because you put a recommendation at least 3000, the work becomes more expensive, there are realities of the market will no longer pay. So what these numbers mean? Any sale of an individual process, unique to anything, in my opinion, to make any unnecessary misunderstandings. Good luck!

[fabosch]

Dear Olga Ozolin, I'm curious to know if you have not discussed the possibility of official distribution exp in electronic version. It's quite modern mechanism demanded pay information dissemination. For example, on artinvestment so there is a database of sales.
Moreover, because it is clear that the future belonged to such a channel, not the paper, because the greater the amount of information, so inconvenient paper.
And second, again out of curiosity, do your official access to basic statistical data on the distribution of artists by category, even if generalized (category 1A - 300 artists, 1B - 200, 2A - 2000, etc.), I not talking about lists, grouped not alphabetically, and by category (it actually is your commercial know-how that protects you as the apple of an eye).

Сообщение от Mimoprohodil

Just because you put a recommendation of at least 3000, the work becomes more expensive, there are realities of the market will no longer pay. So what these numbers mean? Any sale of an individual process, unique to anything, in my opinion, to make any unnecessary misunderstandings.

I think all these price recommendations have the same right to exist, like himself, rating (ie, or none at all. Or total), all the same, any transaction is not rated, nor on the basis of artinvestment. After all, if the seller (or vice versa, the buyer) does not understand the differences between two works of the same size and written in the same technique (and since there are lots of factors: itself and the quality of work, year of writing and the plot, and color, and current mode, etc. etc.), it is exactly the same way may prove his own, poking his sweaty finger to the base artinvestment - and here, at Christi sold for 50 tysch. And what do you prove it - he just does not understand this ...

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от fabosch; 1315021"

did not discuss whether you have the possibility of official distribution exp in electronic version. It's quite modern mechanism demanded pay information dissemination.

Who backyard Internet, EXP is not needed, and without it you can for yourself to form an opinion about the author, something about him to know.

[fabosch]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Who next door Internet, EXP is not needed, and without it you can for yourself to form an opinion about the author, something about him to know.

Cyril, of course it is. And right here have said that the rating is unlikely to seriously needed professionals. This, again, rightly said, mass media with all the birthmarks of the fourth (or fifth, I was confused) power.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

You are somewhere in the EXP found offensive the word" opportunistic "? I have already referred to the standard:

I was just standard and quoted. Published just 10 years ago, 5 issue: "The Artist" B "is focused primarily on the needs of market conditions."
Are you saying that insulting to the artist's definition of "opportunistic" emerges not close? Your distinction between these groups unprofessional publication of this rating you confuse many, especially beginners art. This division on a scale impossible in principle. Do you have it done without acquaintance with the artist and at least superficial conversation with him.

[Любознательный]

Olga Ozolin,
I'm interested in how to integrate Russian artists in your Internet project "10,000 artists not less than 3 rankings. Part of the 19 th century artists remain unknown. I am wondering whether all artists age 19-20 who received the title of the artist, are included in your list?
As is the case with artists of 20 century (Soviet) educated?
And what about the unfinished education?
If you do not complicate, the more detail, please.

[Ольга Озолина]

Сообщение от K-Maler

I was just standard and quoted. Published just 10 years ago, 5 issue: "The Artist" B "is focused primarily on the needs of market conditions."
Are you saying that insulting to the artist's definition of "opportunistic" emerges not close? Your distinction between these groups unprofessional publication of this rating you confuse many, especially beginners art. This division on a scale impossible in principle. Do you have it done without acquaintance with the artist and at least superficial conversation with him.

Yes, 10 years ago the situation was entirely different division at the "market" and "non-market". Still had some hope that in the near future at all A and B do not need, and what we do all united only by numbers. But the opposite turned out to be. Polarization is enhanced and strengthened.

And who we are there confusing - I do not know, worthless such a beginner to art, which can complicate such a simple tool like EXP

A talk with the artists just have more than enough, sometimes it seems that only do what we talk with artists ". What can you do, turned to the plow ... Especially since the artist artist strife, and not all bad character

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Сообщение от Inquisitive

Olga Ozolin,
I'm interested in how to integrate Russian artists in your Internet project "10,000 artists not less than 3 rankings. Part of the 19 th century artists remain unknown. I am wondering whether all artists age 19-20 who received the title of the artist, are included in your list?
As is the case with artists of 20 century (Soviet) educated?
And what about the unfinished education?
If you do not complicate, the more detail, please.

Internet project "10000 best artists in the world" is not intended to include all. For this is the very exp and "Registry":
http://painters.artunion.ru/index.htm
And "10000" contains only 3 higher rating categories.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

polarization is enhanced and strengthened.

Polarization among artists there, among the buyers, too. There was a long-awaited freedom, nearly all co-exist peacefully ... In addition to the public, which the criteria are unclear, and apart from art critics, who have a claim to impose its preferences to all ...