Is it possible to create and develop the art market without kommodifikatsii art?

[Причал]

And, since we are talking about objects of art as a commodity - you need to talk not only about price. This is just one of the categories tricky science under the name of the business.
We must talk about profitability. On profit.

Why, when the artist refers to the sale of their work abroad (or in Moscow) at a higher price than what, in his region - he forgets that the resulting price - it's not profit. What must still count all the time and material to the device exhibitions, advertising, shipping, insurance (and do not forget the loss of economic benefits on the spot because of off part of the output from the local market at the time of the Fair, sometimes long). And throw that amount by the number of sold paintings.
And then to estimate, but did not have any sense the same money to invest in promoting their products in the local market.

However, I do not know who it is I write - from Yekaterinburg artists only a few continue to hope that the foreign country will help them.

[AlexanderG]

Vy sovershenno pravy. Delo zatratnoe, hlopotnoe, i malo okupaemoe v bol'shinstve sluchaev. Hotia, esli za etim stoit serioznaia organizatsiia, to vozmozny varianty.

Eschio eto napomnilo mne stat'iu $ 1,000 v den '(v moih dnevnikah). Ideia stat'iu - avstraliiskie bezrabitnye-bezdomnye-narkomany tratiat $ 1,000 v den 'na narkotiki!!! Bez smeha - est 'tsel' - oni ee dostigaiut.

[Veronic]

wharf, I think that we are still relevant "there is no prophet in his own country." You will not believe, but in the Carpathian region for the modern artist's price of USD 1000-2000. is transcendental. To sell the work for $ 500. be very much strain, and even then it can happen quite rarely. That is, to build its market within a region, no costs will not help. The issue can be resolved only time, as an artist after all and need something to live, to fund the exhibition, to delay work for personalok etc.
Here and draw conclusions.

[Причал]

Сообщение от Veronic

wharf, I think that we are still relevant "there is no prophet in his own country."

Deeply convinced that it is not a priori a strange woman of great beauty, than his. The diversity of need, of course, but the prophet in location steps better than far away.
The fact that incomes are low.
And the number of buyers did not grow and even decreased in connection with the crisis.

Many of our artists prices declined slightly.

Сообщение от Veronic

You would not believe, but in the Carpathian region for the modern artist's price of USD 1000-2000. is transcendental. To sell the work for $ 500. be very much strain, and even then it can happen quite rarely. That is, to build its market within a region, no costs will not help. The issue can be resolved only time, as an artist after all and need something to live.
Here and make conclusions.

I think that the salary of a highly qualified engineer or a good doctor, the average official or chief accountant of a small business too small. And it is they are our potentially massive clients.
And they work no less and no worse than the average artist.
While we orintirovatsya on mythical oligarchs - will sit in the dreams of a better share.

[AlexanderG]

A vot na etoi raznitse mozno popytat'sia rabotat '.

Esli derzat 'tseny na urovne Zakarpatskih, no prodavat' vysokokachestvennyi tovar (kartiny), to oni mogut uhodit ', v nachale za, "face value", te rabota ponravilas' - kupili. $ 500 - $ 2.000 - nikto ne budet dumat 'ob investitsiiah. Mogut voiti vo vkus i togda mozno povyshat 'tseny i dumat' o sleduiuschih shagah. Konechno ze rabota dolzna byt 'sistematichnoi i postoiannoi. Za mesiats - dva nichego ne poluchitsia.

Osnovnye rashody (krome napisaniia kartin) - management, marketing, rent, dostavka.

V Au organizatsiia est ', no v Zakarpat'e nado naiti finansy dlia proplaty vysheperechislennogo.

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Сообщение от Berth

is deeply convinced that it is not a priori a strange woman of great beauty than his. The diversity of need, of course, but the prophet in location steps better than far away.

Soglasen.


I think that the salary of a highly qualified engineer or a good doctor, the average official or chief accountant of a small business too small. And it is they are our potentially massive clients.

Zdes' ta ze samaia gruppa.

And they work no less and no worse than the average artist.
While we orintirovatsya on mythical oligarchs - will sit in the dreams of a better percentage.

Pravda poluchaiut oni bol'she.

[Seriy]

wharf, in the business if we go for the already existing demand for existing products, the profit will only shrink and shrink.
In Moscow, 1 kg of bananas can be bought for 26 rubles in the store. Question-and what is the profit of producer 1 kg of bananas on the spot?
From the pictures, the same thing.
In business, profit brings, expanding into new geographic markets, offering a new product, making the old product with new features to reach new audiences.
There are, of course, playing with the market to invest in Russia, but these players are likely no, every promotion, support to the market a lot of money, in this play in the West. T e of the fact that Rothko grew as a percent, the joy is only for owners of dozens of "Rothko".
Profit is the new artists, new directions, new markets.
About the low salaries in general is ridiculous .. In a thread silencer or windshield thousand dollars fine, but for now much?

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Seriy

In business, profit brings, expanding into new geographic markets, offering a new product, making the old product with new features to reach new audiences.

Imperii i kolonialism. Zakony te ze.

There are, of course, playing with the market to invest in Russia, but these players are likely no, every promotion, support to the market a lot of money, in this play in the West. T e of the fact that Rothko grew as a percent, the joy is only for owners of dozens of "Rothko".

Net, ne soglasen. Pribyl 'poluchaiut vse, kto ego pereprodaiut i rabotaiut v sisteme marketinga. Inache ne bylo by smysla radovat ' "desiatok obladatalei". U nih i tak uze vsio est'.

Profit is the new artists, new directions, new markets.
About the low salaries in general is ridiculous .. In a thread silencer or windshield thousand dollars fine, but for now dear?

Vy pravy oba raza.

Osnovnye den'gi art rynka v pervichnom segmente.

Za steklo normal'no, propit '$ 5,000 v piatnitsu - normal'no, televizor za $ 3,000 - normal'no, a kartinu za $ 1000 - nado silno dumat'. Piramida Maslova. Kartiny v samom nizu

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Сообщение от Berth

but the prophet in location steps better than far away.

Ia toze ubezdion v neobhodimosti razvitiia sobstvennogo rynka, a ne popytki vystupit ' "pischevym pridatkom".

[Причал]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Pravda poluchaiut oni bol'she.

Vooot.
Output for the artist is. But he is not in one-off exhibitions. And not even to some extent regular, but still not permanent.
Alas, it seems this is the case when the output in the transfer of production closer to the consumer .
Emigrate for permanent residence, nafikk

[Seriy]

About poverty Transcarpathia would not speak, but changed his mind. We are building a cottage, the teams are changing, including in Transcarpathian region, with Western Ukraine. Basic Salary Workers - 1000 dollars a month, the master of getting more. Workers, even unskilled workers, for 300 dollars does not exist. Just take a shovel and dig-cube want now 100 g (450-500 rubles), 5.7 cubic meters per day, especially without straining.
It's not poverty.

[Veronic]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Vy pravy oba raza.

Osnovnye den'gi art rynka v pervichnom segmente.

Za steklo normal'no, propit '$ 5,000 v piatnitsu - normal'no, televizor za $ 3,000 - normal'no, a kartinu za $ 1000 - nado silno dumat'. Piramida Maslova. Kartiny v samom nizu

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Unfortunately explain the man in the street value of pictures is difficult. You can certainly try, but he still did not immediately make a purchase. For maturation and understanding of the value of art takes years, but they can not solve the issue. Many people do not buy now, because it is they just do not need, spend money on anything, but not on the painting. To do this, so that in a society shaped fashion for collecting, bring up the understanding of the prestige that the laws of patronage began to work .....

But while in the province Philistine thinks that $ 1000. the artist is too much, especially since a number there are many other artists are ready to sell the work of less than 100 dollars.