"Russia's modern abstraction of secondary importance to define"

[Ваулин Алексей]

Paul, and what this means: «not enough to make an abstraction, must be original»
And «all the development of abstraction have been exhausted» please explain, please, what about Eugene Mikhnov-Voitenko opened up new horizons in the abstract or very sharp Boris Turkish painter in its brevity, or Lydia Masterkova, Francisco Infante, Boris Markovnikov, or Sasha Ponomarev I will not mention the very young generation of artists?
In my opinion in the 21 st century as it is indecent to talk about the "originality" in art are all very closely intertwined

[Ваулин Алексей]

Chubarov different, in the early stuff (№ 1) can invest in the later (№ 2) no.
But why?
Please explain very interesting!!

And who else might be interested in an investment plan?

[Konstantin]

Chubarov different, in the early stuff (№ 1) can invest in the later (№ 2) no.
And why?
Please explain very interesting !!!!

Because the early stuff and expressive and recognizable. And after that they started on his promotion and in doing so he completely changed his painting. Then there were some exorbitant sales at auction, but was crudely done - they would be on a bit to add the price of the auction for the auction, and they (raskrutchiki) directly to hundreds of thousands of $ inflated ... And nothing. There was no general rise in prices for Chubarova not happen. We talked about this in detail (well, relatively) speaking at two seminars, "How to move the artist" and "Investments in modern art"

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Vaulin Alexey

Paul, and what this means: «not enough to make an abstraction, must be original»
And «all the development of abstraction have been exhausted» please explain, please, what about Eugene Mikhnov-Voitenko opened up new horizons in the abstract or very sharp Boris Turkish painter in its brevity, or Lydia Masterkova, Francisco Infante, Boris Markovnikov, or Sasha Ponomarev I will not mention the very young generation of artists?
In my opinion in the 21 st century as it is indecent to talk about the "originality" in art are all very closely intertwined

I know Turkish. Studied with him in the same year. The fact that he taught at Stroganovka does not mean severity of work. Rather, he always tried to show that he knows how to draw. But it is natural to school, but the monochrome images, and little expressive. I think that if you look at magazines and websites you can find a lot of things that have gone from one or the other artist. That would be nothing if artists grow in experience, but they are also trying to improve, do better neater, but if you look at all the famous artists are explorers, style, trends, etc. with the response they have not always very precisely because it is not allowed to taste and creative temperament. Great and great because they found its original way to be times when it seemed all intertwined and have an open and done, but there is Van Gogh, all of which are taught and can never learn to paint, which makes all awry, as Cezanne ....

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Pavel

I know Turkish. Studied with him in the same year.

You are about Boris Zakharovich say?
And where you studied with him? In Penza? In the 46-m? Or is the Moscow School in the 47-m?
I know that he is still from 1953 to 1959 he studied at the correspondence department of the Moscow Polygraphic Institute. They studied with him?

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

You are about Boris Zakharovich say?
And where you studied with him? In Penza? In the 46-m? Or is the Moscow School in the 47-m?
I know that he is still from 1953 to 1959 he studied at the correspondence department of the Moscow Polygraphic Institute. They studied with him?

Pardon me, pardon me, I was mistaken. I was referring to another artist.

[fross]

I hope someone still make a separate topic on Mikhnov-Voitenko. Here his work and for comparison with contemporary auctions this week, with prices of care from 30 to 400tysyach euro Zao Wu-Ki, Hartung and Soulage. Work of the last way is hanging now in the hall of the old Italians in the Louvre, and the personal exhibition at the Pompidou. The Louvre next to it must stop, though perhaps as I am taking the nedokrashennuyu part of the wall during the repair works .

[Pavel]

Сообщение от fross

I hope someone still make a separate topic on Mikhnov-Voitenko. Here his work and for comparison with contemporary auctions this week, with prices of care from 30 to 400tysyach euro Zao Wu-Ki, Hartung and Soulage. Work of the last way is hanging now in the hall of the old Italians in the Louvre, and the personal exhibition at the Pompidou. The Louvre next to it must stop, though perhaps as I am taking the nedokrashennuyu part of the wall during the repair works .

Zhao-Wu-Ki, I do not know, but Hartung and Soulages major artists, behind which the entire creative life. Exhibition Soulage was recently in Russia. It is a good artist does not know which is bad. His work is sharp and expressive in color and composition, which is in harmony with the technique of execution. Detailed information can be found in the French cult. center. in SMoskve. That same Hartung. So how do they work is their business, but as they are or improve their waste of time. Actually your arguments are not serious, it is better to try to understand.

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Сообщение от Maroussia

To be fair to say that this is not Frosina logic. This conclusion is in the 1960's came Camilla Gray. This is in the book "The Great Experiment» (The Great Experiment: Russian Art 1863 - 1922) wrote that turns all the modern (s) to the Western variety of abstraction were invented by Russian in 20-ies.
Unfortunately, this monograph has never been translated into Russian. But precisely because of this book, stop talking about the "secondary" of Russian art in comparison with western Europe. But write her English scholar (herself - a very interesting character), for which a low bow to her.



Paul! Vasily Kandinsky graduated from the Moscow Imperial University, and at the end even got the chair - well, probably, went to college! But all the cast and went to school Aschbe to study painting. Here's how born abstract ...

Masha! Abstraction was not born in Germany and in France. that there was prepared the ground for besprednetnogo art. In general, abstraction is a distraction from the real image, but not the German classic, and emerged on the basis of Fauvism and the subsequent revolutionary movements of German expressionism, which, in turn, made an impression on the pre-revolutionary Russian artists and the military era. This is evident when comparing the work AD and Goncharova, and many others influenced by German, it was natural because both the king and queen were Germans, and it was geographically convenient.

[fross]

Сообщение от Pavel

Zhao-Wu-Ki, I do not know, but Hartung and Soulages major artists, behind which the entire creative life. Exhibition Soulage was recently in Russia. It is a good artist does not know which is bad. His work is sharp and expressive in color and composition, which is in harmony with the technique of execution. Detailed information can be found in the French cult. center. in SMoskve. That same Hartung. So how do they work is their business, but as they are or improve their waste of time. Actually your arguments are not serious, it is better to try to understand.

And what are we doing?
Reproach in ignorance of these artists do not address, something I just love them very much. But believe me, this work Soulage next to Giotto and Botticelli looks exactly like accidentally forgotten technical equipment .

[Pavel]

Сообщение от fross

And what are we doing?
Reproach in ignorance of these artists do not address, something I just love them very much. But believe me, this work Soulage next to Giotto and Botticelli looks exactly like accidentally forgotten technical equipment .

It only seems so. You can check very simply put together. Afraid Giotto survive but Botticelli-issue. General, all the major artists of different expressivity and severity.
All times and peoples. There is a Matisse.