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Ваулин Алексей 10.12.2009 12:35

"Russia's modern abstraction of secondary importance to define"
 
I would like to hear from collectors and lovers of painting on the subject. Entitled to such a definition in our days. Abstraction as the direction of a very young art. What investment interest is modern abstraction. "Modern" is the time period from 1950 years of our days. I am very interested in any thoughts on this question.

Тютчев 10.12.2009 13:07

What does "secondary by definition"! This statement makes no sense! It's like saying: "All modern art in general, again by definition. Everything depends on the artist, as in any other direction.

bykinist 10.12.2009 13:09

Mikhnov-Voitenko interesting was the "abstractionist"

artcol 10.12.2009 13:20

If you understand the word "abstract" just formotvorchestvo - it is a pure local masturbation (S. Kurehin). If by "abstraction" to understand the attempt to express the "inexpressible" (his visionary experience, for example) by creating their own language - that of a secondary character can there be?

Ваулин Алексей 10.12.2009 13:32

Unfortunately, this definition is not mine, but the opinion of quite well-known and respected in the modern art of people, critics, curators. Here I would like to talk about it!!

artcol 10.12.2009 13:41

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Сообщение от Vaulin Alexey (Сообщение 777482)
Abstraction as the direction of a very young art ... What investment interest is contemporary abstract ... "Modern" is the time period from 1950 years of our days ...

If you do this - that curators and art critics are right.

bykinist 10.12.2009 14:04

"Abstract" or "abstract expressionism" is a genre, a conditional line of art, and yet valued creativity of individuals, rather than a label that can be prisobachit to him. Another thing is that a trend in the art may be culturally apart. For example, abstract expressionism can be uniquely described phenomenon in American art post-war era. But this does not mean that the Russian (or Soviet), the artist does not have something interesting /new "to say" about it.

artcol 10.12.2009 14:09

Цитата:

Сообщение от bykinist (Сообщение 777742)
on this subject.

One might ask, on what "this matter"?

Тютчев 10.12.2009 14:12

Цитата:

Сообщение от artcol (Сообщение 777592)
If you understand the word "abstract" just formotvorchestvo - it is a pure local masturbation (S. Kurehin). If by "abstraction" to understand the attempt to express the "inexpressible" (his visionary experience, for example) by creating their own language - that of a secondary can be a question?

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Сообщение от bykinist (Сообщение 777742)
"Abstract" or "abstract expressionism" is a genre, a conditional line of art ...


The surest way of caught me, the definitions of abstract art:

«Abstract (see all abstractio - removal, diversion) - pointless, Non-figurative art - a form of expressive activity, not intended to mock or show visually perceived reality. Abstract painting, drawing, sculpture exclusive association with recognizable objects.

The origins of abstract painting and the time of the first abstract painting is not installed. With confidence you can only talk about that between 1910 and 1915, many European artists have tried themselves into irrelevance, Non-figurative compositions (in painting, drawing, sculpture). Among them: R. Delaunay, M. Larionov, F. Picabia, Kupka F., P. Klee, F. Marc, AG Jawlensky, U. Bochioni, F. Marinetti, etc. The most original and famous -- Wassily Kandinsky, P. Mondrian, Kasimir Malevich. "Inventor" Kandinsky's abstraction is commonly called, referring to his watercolors 1910-1912 and his theoretical work objectively demonstrate the art of self-sufficiency, are indicative of his ability to create their own means of some new reality. And in practice and in theory Kandinsky was the strongest and most consistent of those at this time went to the line dividing Figuration of abstraction. Outstanding questions about who first crossed this line, not essential, since in the first years of XX century. latest trends of European art are very close to this boundary, all of which pointed to the fact that it will be overturned.

Abstract Contrary to the image is not a stylistic category. This particular form of visual art is divided into several areas. Geometric abstraction, lyrical abstraction, gestural abstraction, analytical abstraction and more private flows, such as Suprematism, aranformel, nyuazhizm etc.

Styles of abstract art derived from the same stileobrazuyuschih elements as figurative styles. On this evidence, in particular, the fact that the monochrome painting - canvas, a filled one tone - is in the same neutral attitude to style as totally naturalistic figurative image. Abstract painting - is a special kind of visual activity, whose function compared with the functions of music in audioprostranstve ... "

bykinist 10.12.2009 14:14

let me think ...


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