"Russia's modern abstraction of secondary importance to define"

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Vaulin Alexey

Paul, and what this means: «not enough to make an abstraction, must be original»
And «all the development of abstraction have been exhausted» please explain, please, what about Eugene Mikhnov-Voitenko opened up new horizons in the abstract or very sharp Boris Turkish painter in its brevity, or Lydia Masterkova, Francisco Infante, Boris Markovnikov, or Sasha Ponomarev I will not mention the very young generation of artists?
In my opinion in the 21 st century as it is indecent to talk about the "originality" in art are all very closely intertwined

I know Turkish. Studied with him in the same year. The fact that he taught at Stroganovka does not mean severity of work. Rather, he always tried to show that he knows how to draw. But it is natural to school, but the monochrome images, and little expressive. I think that if you look at magazines and websites you can find a lot of things that have gone from one or the other artist. That would be nothing if artists grow in experience, but they are also trying to improve, do better neater, but if you look at all the famous artists are explorers, style, trends, etc. with the response they have not always very precisely because it is not allowed to taste and creative temperament. Great and great because they found its original way to be times when it seemed all intertwined and have an open and done, but there is Van Gogh, all of which are taught and can never learn to paint, which makes all awry, as Cezanne ....

[artcol]

Сообщение от Pavel

Discover what iconoclasm and why. The Quran is the book of Allah, Allah is al-Yahweh or just Yahweh, which can not be described in Sue mention.

I know what iconoclasm, its causes, etc. Further can not continue - let's go back to the topic.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от artcol

I know what iconoclasm, its causes, etc. Further can not continue - let's go back to the topic.

This is the topic because it is one of the foundations of abstract art.

[artcol]

Сообщение от Pavel

This is the topic because it is one of the foundations of abstract art.

The ban on images of God and man as its similarity comes from canonincomprehensibility the first of his creation, from his some "nature.
A iconoclasm of the same opera, and that the destruction of the golden calf, etc.

Paul, a big topic, write about it here meaningless. If you want to understand better to turn to the literature or specialized forums. Abstraction for a ban on the image of God is very, very indirect and not directly related. This is closer to the music.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от artcol

The ban on images of God and man as its similarity comes from canonincomprehensibility the first of his creation, from his some "nature .
A iconoclasm of the same opera, and that the destruction of the golden calf, etc.

Paul, a big topic, write about it here meaningless. If you want to understand better to turn to the literature or specialized forums. Abstraction for a ban on the image of God is very, very indirect and not directly related. This is closer to the music.

I'm afraid is. Especially among Jewish artists in the 60's.
Big mistake. Painting has its own laws and their impact means of representation. and their music and quite different.

[Ваулин Алексей]

Indeed Paul so we'll go very far from our theme.

In my view, abstraction can be very different, "individualized" that if each artist creates their own worlds, and it's interesting. But the question artists work, have their art on their hands.
And the galleries working with almost no abstraction, in contrast to the West or America. So conclusion is the secondary compared to even the so-called "actual" art. Of course, it is difficult to make abstraction of the show, (although why not) to examine and grasp it all yet close to the essence of this trend. May be the whole issue of lack of information and the art market as such?

[artcol]

Сообщение от Pavel

I'm afraid is. Especially among Jewish artists in the 60's.

And among the tribal artists - it was about how things?

Сообщение от Pavel

Painting has its own laws and their impact means of representation. and music and its quite different.

Traditional zhivopsi - this is literature, narrative, narrative. Music is (mb and suggestive poetry) occurs only in abstraction. All of these musical and poetic allusions are often manifested in the names.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от artcol

And among the tribal artists - it was about how things?


Traditional zhivopsi - this is literature, narrative, narrative. Music is (mb and suggestive poetry) occurs only in abstraction. All of these musical and poetic allusions are often manifested in the names.

Did you mean poor academic painting. There really a literary content above. Against this were just the Impressionists. That they were considered the main plastic picturesque.
Came close to abstraction, painting Sezann.Vse foundations were laid in the 19 century. All the talk about music is dust in the eyes. Look at how Americans are burning pictures of abstract art, certainly the best. This is not because they are musical but because they are so constructed and calculated. This is beautiful. This luchshe music.

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Сообщение от Vaulin Alexey

Indeed Paul so we'll go very far from our theme.

In my view, abstraction can be very different, "individualized" that if each artist creates their own worlds, and it's interesting. But the question artists work, have their art on their hands.
And the galleries working with almost no abstraction, in contrast to the West or America. So conclusion is the secondary compared to even the so-called "actual" art. Of course, it is difficult to make abstraction of the show, (although why not) to examine and grasp it all yet close to the essence of this trend. May be the whole issue of lack of information and the art market itself?

In fact, painting is not only of realism and abstract art. Various realism, abstract art is different, yet another lot. it is not misrepresented chchto abstraction, any painting should be beautiful. You can take a realistic sketch and make it a perfect abstraction, as Buch. Any painting-abstraction. This combination of stains, of a certain size and color. And! But all good artists are different and beautiful and recognizable, and no one will understand, like so easy, no one can attack.

[Ваулин Алексей]

Paul! Here's my question to you, you write «Turkish I knew. He studied with him in the same year » It is interesting to tell than lived Turkish? What was said? What ideas were in this artist because he did not immediately come to his plastic system, any more details I think will be of interest to the forum

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Pavel

I know Turkish. Studied with him in the same year.

You are about Boris Zakharovich say?
And where you studied with him? In Penza? In the 46-m? Or is the Moscow School in the 47-m?
I know that he is still from 1953 to 1959 he studied at the correspondence department of the Moscow Polygraphic Institute. They studied with him?