Penza Museum

[Allena]

I wonder what Putin yesterday called objects of cultural heritage, which can be transferred to private investors? Estate? Or not only.
If you raise the issue of the return of items to relatives, they will be for decades to prove their right to inherit (and are unlikely to prove). And there is also a family of artists who can claim that the owners, whose collections were looted by the Bolsheviks, for example, underpaid in time to the authors and do not have the right to own controversial thing ... Grandma - for Dedkov, granddaughter - for Zhuchka ... While there are calls to talk, all that is nedognilo in the reserves will be lost altogether.
Although, I think, SergeSK rights that the laws on restitution, we will never.

[Konstantin]

LET best works of art stolen, than they rot

In general - yes. But there is subtlety. Remember, under this sauce privatization takes place in the 90's. The whole country is against. Any rich man vrsprinimaetsya people as a thief. By the way while writing came up with a smart idea - It is necessary to entrust Chubais! But I fear in the camp Kvachkov arrives.

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от iosif

In any event, with great pleasure to look picture

Here are three of Stozharov VF, located in Penza Picture Gallery of. Savitsky
1. The Village of Big Pyssa. Bathhouses on the shore. 1964, KM 57h73
2. The Village Vazhgort. Last Ray ". 1965, org.m 42h81
3. Yenisei. 1955 h.m 70h180

[Allena]

Сообщение от Konstantin

Remember, under this sauce privatization takes place in the 90's.

Privatization was carried out when the word "market" had one meaning: Grandmother with dill and guests from the sunny Caucasus with tangerines, there was nothing else. Therefore, all rushed to snatch a piece of something, once the state says: Here, take, Zadar! Now this can not be: 1. There is an art market, 2. one owes nothing for nothing will not give, 3. object in question, it is defined.
Wrote itself a contradiction: if the museums do not know what and in what corner they had lying around, then organize a transparent procedure for the sale would not be possible, as much burden and control to install - simply fantastic. Although it would seem: to take a separate museum, conduct an audit of funds, identify what can be sold into private hands with the encumbrances (that is, if you do not sell, then soon to write off will be nothing), to conduct the auction, the money spent on repairs and protection of the same museum , oblige buyers restored and exhibited in the same museum.
Sounds logical, but how naive!

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от Allena

It sounds logical, but how naive

Fourth source, and the fourth part of realism ...: D

[Allena]

Сообщение от dedulya37

The fourth source and the fourth part ... realism

I suspect that you have in mind not the logic ...

[iosif]

dedulya37, super. Especially the first and third.

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Allena

to the auction, the money spent on repairs and protection of the same museum, purchasers required to restore and exhibit the same museum.

Dear Alena sell nado.Etim not doing fucking Bolsheviks 70 years (1920-1990), has sold everything they could, and is a complete idiocy, you yourself understand this.
All over the world are trying to to preserve national treasures for posterity, and not to squander. The funds for a museum, cultural activities are allocated large.
For example: the budget of the Penza region (section Culture, 2007) 1,2 mlr.rub. is a huge amount of money, you can not just only museum properly repaired, at least another ten new build .. and this money only 2007, and in 2008 more laid (where these funds?) and this situation in virtually all regions of Russia.
If they spend with the mind long ago would only museum in the order would have resulted.
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According to ancient manor (privatization) law has long passed, but turn invest stoit.Viktor Baturin what is done, another 2-3 people and all.
But at the museum items at once a lot of fans showed up ..

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The budget for culture (Russia): 2007 provided in the amount of 67,7 billion rubles ....
..........
• the repair and restoration of monuments of history and culture of religious
destination - 439.6 million rubles.;
The Year of China in Russia - 320 million rubles.
That's the problem, repair museums allocate less than 1%, almost as to hold the Year of China ...
  Yes, mind Russia not understand ....... In Russia one can only believe.

[Allena]

Сообщение от Eugene

According to an old mansion (privatization) law has long passed, but turn invest stoit.Viktor Baturin what is done, another 2-3 people and all.

Eugene! After some time after the adoption of the law on TV after a few stories about how private investors bought the historic monuments and what they have turned them. You may not believe him, but not hard to believe my own eyes ... Then, from time to time something like this has appeared on different channels. I never heard that the law has worked "in plus", ie the building back to life (although, of course, could and miss).
Reliably only know one story about this topic with a happy ending. Even before the enactment of the law, that is, in the mid 90's, a commercial organization received ruins (I saw it myself - awful wreckage of the outer walls!) Chambers of the 17 th century in the heart of Moscow. Profile of the organization had nothing to do with construction and restoration, but they restored the building. We spent a lot of research works have unearthed the history of the building, found the old documents, there is something to be wise with the materials. In short, meticulously restored all that could - and the outside and inside. Admire the beauty of this is possible only outside, but it's better that than ruins.

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Сообщение от Eugene

does not sell nado.Etim fucking Bolsheviks were engaged for 70 years (1920-1990), has sold everything they could, and this utter idiocy, you yourself understand this.
All over the world are trying to preserve for posterity national treasure, and not to squander. Funds for museum, cultural activities are allocated large.
For example: the budget of the Penza region (section Culture, 2007) 1,2 mlr.rub. this huge amount of money, you can not just only museum properly repaired to at least another ten new build .. and this money only in 2007, and in 2008, more laid (where these funds?) and this situation in virtually all regions of Russia.
If they spend with the mind long ago would only museum in the order would result.

Ready to subscribe to every word, Eugene! But the key word - to save, save, lovingly, gently, carefully, and not zahovat away - say, let the mice eat, but the cores will be present auditors to confirm the availability of storage units.
That we apparently genetic: remember how Romodanovsky Peter opened the Kremlin cellars from rotting sables, and on the question, why had not previously given - still rotten, he replied: but all safe! Of course, I'm for ensuring that cultural values, which are in museums, where kept, studied, restored, on display! But if the choice between a dump in the museum's depository and private collections - I choose a collection, there is a thing not perish!

[SergeiSK]

Сообщение от Eugene

Viktor Baturin to do something

In Sochi Baturin 5-6 years ago I bought a sanatorium Stalinist buildings in the city center and immediately closed it. So far not working. And he made it his own museum, part of the exhibits which sostavlyut pictures of the same resort. Ie He has been privatized, along with the object, even though they are not the property of the sanatorium. Most of Socialist Realism. Entrance to the museum is closed. Sanatorium is not working and quietly grow old, no reconstruction.