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iosif 23.09.2008 14:32

Penza Museum
 
At the weekend dash to the car in Penza, get acquainted with the local artistic attractions.
By the method of distinguished Fross order an individual trip to the art gallery, built in 1914 by the architect with the expressive name of Gauguin.
Excursion - as much for 250 rubles. all. Our guide was, to put it mildly, not at a height, but there's a lucky, we do not know them.
Western European art is represented not much, but the avant-garde - is active. Falk, Milman, Petrov-Vodkin, Somov, many Lentulova. Sophisticated lady smotritelnitsa said that in the reserves - 12 thousand works that never see the light.
Actually, I do not understand the meaning of these reservists. It was even worse in terms of accessibility to the public than a private collection.
I am ashamed to talk about the visual arts without pictures, but not given to shoot, but his prints there since Soviet times: (.
We went to see the work of graduate students in their art school. This impression Pts. good.
And yet - 1300 miles (round trip) sunny fall landscapes, strong red-orange cap boletus (400 rub. Along with a basket), apples and pears. What else is needed for full happiness?

SergeiSK 23.09.2008 15:03

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 61096)
strong red-aspen

I leave immediately! :)
I was in early October they will travel for the Krasnodar Territory. Summer is continuing, although rain has started. There are joint business with pleasure - mushrooms, grapes, apples, wine with a tour of several of God and the ministry's forgotten museums.
As reservists, then completely agree with you. I have seen the museum in the vaults of which rassyhaetsya huge, made on the board, Bogolyubov, torn when being transported, Aivazovsky, covered with mold and fly-bitten avant-garde works on paper and watercolors Voloshin and Kustodiev ... Sad ... It is doubly sad when the directors of the museums offer to buy things from the store. Although the collector's heart begins to beat faster when such proposals: D We made it official that a ransom of private collections of works from the museums, if the state can not take care of this. Even if without the right to resale.

iosif 23.09.2008 15:30

SergeiSK,
And why did not the State Duma deputy? This is a very good idea - to return to the store-cultural revolution. Even if no sale, even lease for 49 years, for example. In the private museum of things just do not die and will be available to the public. Sell the same in the West, "the museum" lock with a condition: one or two times a week should be open to tourists.

Meister 23.09.2008 15:37

in fact it is true natsionalnaya problem. What these works in regional museums is only God knows. Probably so, and would die in the harsh conditions, (((can not buy, but the idea of rent Joseph I liked ... but who can tell already that there is now and what is not ... such directors so that you got caught on the road is not so little thinking ...

Allena 23.09.2008 15:49

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Сообщение от SergeiSK (Сообщение 61116)
They made it official that a ransom of private collections of works from the museums, if the state can not take care of this. Even if without the right to resale.

Right. If so afraid of losing a national treasure, which peacefully rot in the reserves, so not allowed to export, let them be rotated on the market within the country, would show in the collections. For example, to sell in a private collection from the store under the control of existence of things and display of its owner.

iosif 23.09.2008 16:19

rescue cultural objects
 
It's an amazing coincidence, but just at RBC read about the project "Fair Russia" about the transfer of cultural property to private investors with the encumbrances and state control.
If it does not become a new form of theft, it is very similar to the idea that we are now discussing.

artcol 23.09.2008 16:19

Naturally, everything is open to be otherwise-e-th-th-th ... Aj began to stutter: D in our corrupt state-you-ve ...
Art Chubais no - it means that someone should (not?)

dedulya37 23.09.2008 16:30

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 61196)
It's an amazing coincidence

My babulya such things are called "ahead of the information flow.
In other words, thought-transference.

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 61096)
order individual trip to the art gallery

But not if you have seen on display at least one of the three works Stozharov VF?
Or they, too, in the vaults? If you have not seen - I can lay out.

Allena 23.09.2008 17:04

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Сообщение от iosif (Сообщение 61196)
transfer of cultural property to private investors with the encumbrances and state control

Remember, when historic buildings are allowed to buy out private investors? The idea was sound, just no state control did not save those same monuments from destruction, alterations, re-planning and making estates in the sauna: (Maybe with the pictures you get?

Евгений 23.09.2008 18:18

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Сообщение от Allena (Сообщение 61176)
Let's sell in a private collection from the store under the control of existence of things and exhibiting its owner.

In the case of privatization of the museum collections of the owners of their newly made накроет wave of claims from the possible owners of the exhibits. A significant part of the funds museums in Russia are things of very dubious origin (90%). Do not forget: this is the expropriated property and the value remaining after the Bolshevik revolution.


German museum workers have already nachili ...
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Hamburger Kunsthalle has become the first museum in Germany, who began their own review of its own funds to detect where art objects illegally selected by the Nazis from their owners - first of all, we are talking about the many collectors of looted collections of Jewish origin, such as in the Hanseatic Hamburg has traditionally been particularly large .

Of the 4000 items pictorial assembly 860 are not absolutely clean and documented biography. In 60 cases have already proved the fact of illegal expropriation.


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