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Старый 23.07.2009, 16:08 Язык оригинала: Русский       #161
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Everywhere hang artists
I am in Paris - more than any leg ... And then, under cover, and hang me : eek:



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Старый 23.07.2009, 18:52 Язык оригинала: Русский       #162
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Generally speaking, it is a real disgrace - see no novice message entity with a negative reputation, and believe it is written: mad:

I was somewhere about all this writing, but will have to repeat.
I do not know whether this type at least once in Paris and with whom he had spoken there, but serious picture should look in another place on the right bank (Tamplon, Lelong, Kado, etc.).
Gallery Claude Bernard - no more than a well-selling store clientele with money, buying on the advice of the decorator pattern to decorate their interiors, it is a commercial gallery, which has no museum of the artist and the exhibition which is never the slightest criticism.

Galleries dealing in contemporary art (the art of our sovremenikov) do not sell the Impressionists, this involved the gallery specializing in art of the second half of 19 - the first half of 20 centuries., For example, gallery Schmid.
His Impressionist and neimpressionistov they sometimes bought for Dr. y on, but much more often - on small auctions in the province, as well as from private individuals. In addition, the parents of most of these gallery owners have traded art (for example, the father of the owner of the gallery and the Minotaur's father, Mr. Schmid), so usually they have different foundations.
Gallery Claude Bernard really shop, as the vast majority of galleries, that is a commercial enterprise. And others it may be only a charitable or otherwise hidden from outside view, motivated owner. Everything you mentioned above, commercial galleries, too, that imply a profit from its activities.
Like other shops, various galleries specialize in selling items to the public with different levels of material opulence. Gallery of Claude Bernard is now serving customers, related rather to a level slightly below average in this pyramid of creditworthiness. But it was not always the case. At a time when he had branches in America and Germany with that name were considered to artrynke. His word was a weight on the international fairs of contemporary art, may not be such as in Denis Rene, but, in general, somewhere in the same row. Gallery not shy away from publishing activities, and attracted the media. Now you can contemplate only the echoes of the brilliant time. Critical publication in thinner, somewhere in the same notorious Newspaper Drouot, but the beau monde of Answers of previews, here you can see and Marina Vlady and Karl Lagerfeld. By the way, the main customer base of Claude Bernard is people from the closed-off community, to which belongs Lagerfeld, and Bernard himself.

Ready, madam, to agree with you that creativity Zhylinski, Steinberg, Zaborova put it mildly, not below the level of the national art museum, but this is already a fait accompli - they are already there. So the lack of "museum" of artists from Bernard - inaccuracy. 
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There are others. Honors some beginner message subject and reputation surpasses that commission, which pays the auction house owner sold the work, a big secret, and believe it. In fact, the secret of this may be, that you bear to sell well, something really very expensive and will require the implementation of the auctioneer of your belongings without a commission or minimal compared with the normal, which can be found on its website or by telephone. However, there is a hidden wickedness. Given a document for the sale, you may be unpleasantly surprised that in addition to finalizing the fees you've been for the services of an expert (usually 3%), transportation costs (sometimes for the transportation picture 30x30 cm at a distance 200m will bill you at 300e), in some cases with you take some interest in favor of the artist or his heirs (sometimes "forgetfulness" you are invoiced in spite of the fact that after his death has already passed more than 70 years), in addition, if your thing is sold in more than a 5000e and a have no proof that you own it for more than 10 years, deduct another 5%in the fiscal cash register state. Could something else to count. Everything depends on the ingenuity and audacity auctioneer. In reality, the amount earned by the deliverer at least 18-25%of the price from under the hammer. Approximately the same number (in some cases more) and take to the buyer.

Upper and lower preliminary estimates put things do not always. The so-called classical sales, ie without a catalog and a list of lots of them do not exist. In some cases, they do not exist and the auction catalog, sometimes put only one figure. But what is important in law lower bound can not be below the reserve price. As a rule, lower bound and have a backup price.

Drouot was (or was?) By providing auctioneers premises and personnel to certain reforms of auction sales in France. Now is holding in other words, the system of joint stock companies, consisting of a management company, sales of free enterprise and businesses serving them. As enterprises sold freely serve the former studies (or their associations) Commissioner-winners. Generally speaking, the Anglo-Saxon "auction house" is not very well go to the French reality in any case, in the capital. They have to come up with a good name of the sketch. If Tazhana, Berger Artkyurial or more can be loosely designated as a house, the other studies, where only some employees Commissioner-medalist yes Assistant except shed whether the annexe will not name.


However, the pathos of this position is not nit-picking, inaccuracies, or search for spots on the sun, but something quite different.

Madam, why do you bite, but even in such a crude form of naive, not very informed, clearly confused, truly believing in what I want to believe - in El Dorado, "Drouot" Russian artist? He and so confusion in my head, and you batter and batter him, publicly humiliating. To put your own words in relation to other members, by what right?
You have your education and experience to help to understand what they want it, do you also recognize, nebestalannomu and it seems good-natured man, because for such prinarodno derogatory expressions like type, flog crap, ignorant , whether you are male, in decent society you would be called a duel. He will not answer the same code on the same channel.
Do not you explain to me how vulnerable and defenseless in the majority of these artists, as in need of benevolent attention and co-feeling.
I do not see it envy, but only the naive candor enough educated painter. Well, he genuinely did not understand how you can admire the poster artist Bulatov or sad neophyte Suprematism Steinberg, as can be, with the same sincerity, you do not understand some admiration forumchan domestic products of the recent past. And there envy?
Do not torment him, do not make it an object of ridicule and bullying (this and other forum participants, too). Remember, he, though not original in his artistic ideas, but, nevertheless, this painter, whom in our time is less and less, and that little something to be cherished.



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Старый 23.07.2009, 19:22 Язык оригинала: Русский       #163
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In my opinion, Paul's time in Paris ...



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Старый 23.07.2009, 19:29 Язык оригинала: Русский       #164
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Do not torment him
But anyone who tortures something?
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Do not make it an object of ridicule and humiliation
Ha, so you give ... Found a "doer"!
Even say nothing, shrugged his shoulders unless ...



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Старый 23.07.2009, 19:32 Язык оригинала: Русский       #165
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Yes, anyone who tortures something?
From Paris would not worry ...



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Старый 23.07.2009, 19:38 Язык оригинала: Русский       #166
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It seems that this is just the case when it is fair to remember the adage: the blame to others.



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Старый 23.07.2009, 19:46 Язык оригинала: Русский       #167
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Kirill saying is true, but my head has nothing to do with it ... it is a vector, and I believe only in the vector!



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is a vector, but I believe only in vector!
I do not know that this is a "vector". Destination?

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you have your education and experience to help to understand what was going on this, do you also recognize, nebestalannomu and it seems good-natured man,
It appears that you have with education and experience are also fine.
Help You "nebestalannomu and kindly man" to understand.
Maybe someone else your "trial" will help. Thank tell participants.

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naive, not very informed, clearly confused, truly believing in what I want to believe - in El Dorado, "Drouot" Russian artist?
Rent that "Drouot" here in the last place among the gods, in whom believe the hero theme.
In the first place God more seriously, whose faith in anyone, apparently, can not shake.



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I do not know that this is a "vector". Destination?
Sometimes - the unity and struggle of opposites ...



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Sometimes - the unity and struggle of opposites ...
It is difficult for me ...



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