Ideal forum: utopia or ...

[Art-lover]

Opening at the beginning of this topic, I came from a number of platitudes: that the taxi must always be higher - life still will carry that prevention is cheaper than cure, that love and inspiration constructive than fear of punishment ...
Predicted that the n-fold increase in the number of participants (and since the forum has grown about twice), and failure of certain conditions lead to crises: the threat of destabilization, the disappointment of the major players, structural damage of a fall in the level of discussion and slide body to the amorphous state with a predominance of Flaming and Flame. And, what would be more attractive forum, the higher the probability of excesses. (We've opened as: where the sand is cleaner at a public beach in the morning, there are more leftovers and bottles in the evening).
In short, the more complex the system, the harder it is to keep it from disintegration and chaos.

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Therefore, equipping a good forum for such a complex topic requires special efforts from all parties interested in its high status - members, administrators and founders. Itself, without the careful cultivation, nothing good is not vyrostet.
The complex of such efforts should certainly include:
- Inspiring maximalist formulation problems forum. Best of all - to build an ideal forum for the arts. (And what peddle?)
- Creation of special mechanisms of self-control community, to ensure dominance of the destructive tendencies of evolution. (At first - with the help of administration)
- Proper structuring of the Forum (now with the bad)
- Ensuring conditions for filling a first-class forum content. The last point - is decisive. Everything else, ultimately, only the conditions for its implementation.
  Good content attracts an elite audience, on the background of any advertising looks many times more attractive. Good content is very expensive. Here, at the correct setting, it can be created at virtually no cost.

  But the quality unique content to create profiles: people knowledgeable and creative. Their time - worth its weight in gold. How to attract and, more importantly, keep them here?
In principle, simple: in order to participate in the forum it was interesting and prestigious. To be seen: the fruits of their labors are not lost without a trace in the vast fields of thistles. It is necessary to respect and fully support their status. This, indeed, should be the main task of the administration.
Thus, the status of the creators of quality content should be protected, and there can be an abstract equality. Deprived of hierarchies democracy invariably leads to mob rule, the authorities of the crowd. Consequences always - very sad for status of communities.
 
Saving quantitative indicators of activity on our forum can comfort only those who do not understand what is happening. The debate on vulgarity - it's just a song: "burned everything beautiful marquise, but otherwise all good.
Buttons of censure here will not help: all these measures are symmetric, and the answer rudeness must be asymmetrical and even formally valid. Otherwise it will be: true to form, and in fact - mockery. Can not be sightseers at a construction site equal to the builders.
If the forum leave such figures as LCR, then hell here in general do?
  
Unfortunately, the problem of boorishness involves much more serious problem: what to do with stupidity? Stupidity - indestructible, a fool will not say that he is a fool. Incorrect and useless.
I sympathize with the administration and wish her tact, wisdom and resolve. Future Forum is laid now.

[gans]

Сообщение от Art-lover

To be seen: the fruits of their labors are not lost without a trace in the vast fields of thistles.

You just thought reading, there are a few very interesting topics, but the situation today not see any reason to create them. They will simply be turned into "thistle."

[Кирилл Сызранский]

gans, which "subjects"? Here are calling for "healthy" public forum to drive some of the participants! "Themes" ...

[gans]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Here are calling for "healthy" public forum

In my opinion not the first day of calling, can "healthy" public clearly in a minority?

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от Art-lover

But the quality unique content to create profiles: people knowledgeable and creative. Their time - worth its weight in gold. How to attract and, more importantly, keep them here?
In principle, simple: in order to participate in the forum it was interesting and prestigious. To be seen: the fruits of their labors are not lost without a trace in the vast fields of thistles. It is necessary to respect and fully support their status. This, indeed, should be the main task of the administration.
Thus, the status of the creators of quality content should be protected, and there can be an abstract equality.

As it is technically implemented? Removed at the administration stupid and unnecessarily negative kommetarii? Then it can do all day. On the other hand there are parties that systematically "zaparyvayut" principal theme, turning the discussion in the format of squabbling. Put up with this impossible, because the participants, who come for information, will be disappointed. It happens to the full "disgastinga. Back to the question: what can apply logic and techniques against "vandalism", in addition to direct editing?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Vladimir

delete at the administration stupid and unnecessarily negative kommetarii?

It is also not an option.

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от Vladimir

what you can apply logic and techniques against "vandalism", in addition to direct editing?
     

First, at least not to reject the kind offer Art-Lover 'a help in designing the structure of the forum. Must not "arthritis in his fingers" show, and listen to good advice and helpful person who understands the problem.

[Сергеич]

and listen to good and useful advice

But where some advice? While only appeals organize themselves. Here at once the question - Are there examples of self-organization? For example if someone is in the house TSG. How are meetings? Either no one comes, or bazaar, and it is impossible to discuss anything or much less solve. It was only strengthening "censorship" at the level of administration. Once the slide is disrespectful towards the evaluation of participants, so delete. Not necessarily the entire message, you can edit texts. BUT is a serious man-hours. Looking for moderators who monitor the texts online. Or choose a class from forumchan on a voluntary basis, by a vote of participants and goodwill administration.

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от Sergeyitch

Well, where some advice?

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=13435

and further on the topic.

[Сергеич]

But there is only a "squabble" was renamed to "differences".