Surrealism and the Surrealists

[Мунк]

Сообщение от Art-lover

Where do go from here?
Apparently, surrealism too contradictory phenomenon, and can not be clearly defined.
From the well-known stretch of the imagination it can be considered in a concrete historical terms - as a set of events and phenomena associated with the leaders of the surrealism movement surrealist, but in the theoretical aspect - as a probability space (or field) concepts and intentions, declared in the texts of the movement leaders and /or manifested in practice, these leaders recognized as surreal.
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We will be interested mostly the latter, the theoretical aspect. [/SPOILER]

Since we are talking about fine art, then I would suggest not to move toward the concepts and intentions, about which we can write the volume, and in the direction of the stylistic features or methods of the masters of art - and try to find in this area combine the features that characterize Surrealism as a trend in painting.

[Art-lover]

Munch, let us cite one another so as to avoid collapsing context:

Сообщение от Art-lover

We are interested mostly the latter, the theoretical aspect. That is, he gives us hope to find out who the artists and to what extent involved in surrealism, no relying on statements by the artists themselves or third parties.

Сообщение от Munk

Since we are talking about fine art, then I would suggest not to move toward the concepts and intentions, about which we can write the volume, and in the direction of the stylistic features or methods of the masters of art - and try to find this direction of combining the features that characterize Surrealism as a direction in painting.

I tried a lot of material on condensed to a few messages - so it was interesting and not tedious. The theory is useful to us to get away from fruitless disputes and seeking what is not. For example, surrealism, like schools.
To all these arguments and are going to come back to the artists and view their work with fresh eyes.

[Meister]

more artists to explore, the better.
I want your attention at present known in the West, but completely ignorant here, the artist Kay Sage (Kay Sage) (1898-1963). She is known not only as a surrealist, but also as the wife of Yves Tanguy, who, by marrying him in 1940, went with him through the rest of his life was his nearest pillar and support. Her work has been shaped by the work of Tanguy, Dali and de Chirico, although it is still known as a poet. To me it works very even liked)

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I'm trying a lot of material on condensed to a few messages - so it was interesting and not tedious. The theory is useful to us to get away from fruitless disputes and seeking what is not. For example, surrealism, like schools.
To all these arguments and are going to come back to the artists and view their work with fresh eyes.

  Well, I will be patient. I even felt happy: it turns out, do you think of this trend in painting was not. And because I feel that somehow you are right. Because in the academic history of art it does not deign to attention (in the MSU program, RGGU it is often omitted if not enough time). I say "feel", because I can not yet say "know". If you have time, raising the literature. In the meantime, happy to honor you and see the wizard.
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Сообщение от Meister

more artists to explore, the better.
I want your attention at present known in the West, but completely ignorant here, the artist Kay Sage (Kay Sage) (1898-1963). To me it works very even like)

In her pictures noticeable sustained motive - a drapery pull out. It looks like a hard shell. Sometimes - a veil that fetter the human figure. Sometimes the folds are fantastic architectural framework or landscape formations. But always drapery - a self-contained character. I wonder what kind of character? I like the most average in the bottom row of thing - where lying on the ground shell reveals a decayed skeleton, and in the conditional sky threatening its dominant viable twin. It seems that this is surreal vanitas. And the average in the top row of thing associated with the subject "Christ in the Desert."

[Meister]

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Well, I will be patient. I even felt happy: it turns out, do you think of this trend in painting was not. And because I feel that something you pravy.Potomu that in the academic history of art it does not deign to attention (in the MSU program, RGGU it is often omitted if not enough time).

should not give up so soon from their beliefs

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In her paintings noticeable sustained motive - a drapery pull out. It looks like a hard shell. Sometimes - a veil that fetter the human figure. Sometimes the folds are fantastic architectural framework or landscape formations. But always drapery - a self-contained character. I wonder what kind of character? I like the most average in the bottom row of thing - where lying on the ground shell reveals a decayed skeleton, and in the conditional sky threatening its dominant viable twin. It seems that this is surreal vanitas. And the average in the top row of thing associated with the subject "Christ in the Desert."

but I like most about the second left in the bottom row of work - very intense and very surreal, but our fan art and denies surrealism, as the direction)) It is not an independent artist, almost all the work "can be taken apart from other artists ... most clearly traces de Chirico and Tanguy ... but I would love to hang her work at home, the more they are much more accessible than the other Surrealists.

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should not give up so soon from their beliefs

I have about the Surrealists no belief, no prejudice. . I try to loyal to any art.

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and I like most about the second left in the bottom row of work - very intense and very surreal

It is guessed the motive of "march", which causes direct association with the "Sacred Grove" (1882) Arnold Bocklin . If Beklin - a procession to the sacred fire souls in the netherworld realm, the work of Sage meaning reduced, screened by the fact that the procession begins and ends outside the picture. Comparison of the emotional content of pictures confirms that mysticism is present in both works. In this paper, Sage it - on the surface, we immediately encounter the mystery. And we can indulge in arbitrary fantasy. What is it? Why does the soul go down the stairs, and not rise to the top. In the Grove is the mysticism not connected with the problem of mystery as such, but with a secret, waves of any person - death and the other world. The mystery remains under the veil, but not scared - a beautiful grove beckons, there is nothing repulsive. The viewer feels understandable sadness at the thought that someday inevitably will join this march, but the transition does not seem terrible. Bocklin gives us the opportunity to relax, to experience catharsis. A surreal painting, by contrast, are locked out, creates gratuitous tension, not allowing it. Master, I want to ask: "What is the meaning of this riddle?"

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от Meister

although our fan art and denies surrealism, as the direction))

As direction of painting, Meister.

Surrealism is neither an aesthetic school, or plastic formula

- this is from the "Encyclopedic Dictionary of Painting", edited by the Director of the Louvre and the chief curator of painting of the Louvre. Authors of the publication - the biggest critics of Europe. Good to be a master, to boldly speak out against the masters of professional leagues, and we are the lovers, remains respectfully listen to them:

"Surrealistic painting" is not a direction in the sense of something unified, whole. This phrase is used in a collective sense - to denote the set of paintings "surrealist" (the last word needs to be clarified, this was already discussed).
Surrealists, followed exactly the aesthetic premisses of surrealism, did not create any significant works of art. Creation of any outstanding Surrealist always somehow go beyond the doctrinal premise of surrealism.

Сообщение от Munch

It is guessed the motive of "march", which causes direct association with the "Sacred Grove" (1882) Arnold Bocklin. If Beklin - a procession to the sacred fire souls in the netherworld realm, the work of Sage meaning reduced, screened by the fact that the procession begins and ends outside the image.

Munch, and you do not think that the work of Sage motif of the meeting, but did not march?
Judging from the folds of her robes, the figures facing each other.

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Munch, and you do not think that the work of Sage motif of the meeting, but did not march?
Judging from the folds of her robes, the figures face each other.

No, I think.

[Art-lover]

Сообщение от Munch

No, I do not think.

This mysterious painting is called "Fourteen Daggers (1942). I do not know why. But the picture is the number of the plane together constitute the floor and 13-step through the door.

About Kay Sage worth describing in more detail.
Born to a wealthy American family. In childhood and adolescence with her mother many puteshestvolala in Europe, studied at prestigious institutions. In 1920 settled in Italy, where she studied art. In 1925, became the wife of the Duke Ranieri di San Faustino. Ten years later the marriage broke up (Kay later call this marriage "stand-up marsh). In 1937, Kay goes to Paris to pursue a career artist. Here she met with the Surrealists and meets her future husband - Yves Tanguy. After the war, returned to the United States and helps to move there with a friend-surrealist. In 1940, Sage and Tanguy were married. After the death of Tanga in 1955 became a recluse and drew less. Deep depression led in 1959 to attempt suicide: Kay tried to poison herself with sleeping pills. In the last years of his life the artist began to lose sight (glaucoma), made a few transactions that were unsuccessful. January 8, 1963, three days after the birth of Yves Tanguy, committed suicide with a gunshot to the heart. On the testament of its ashes, along with the ashes of Yves Tanguy, Pierre Matisse was scattered off the coast of Brittany.
Kay Sage is the author of several books of poetry.

"I have built an ivory tower of despair ... I scream, I scream ... In my ivory tower".
(I built a tower of ivory, hopelessness ... I'm screaming, I'm screaming ... in my ivory tower ").

Critics often think of creativity as the shadow of Kay Sage Tanguy creativity. But is it enough to look closely at her paintings, to understand their autonomy. These are two different universes, equally distant from each other, as well as from our world.

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0. Kay Sage and Yves Tanguy (circa 1950)
1. Passing prohibited (1954). 2. Hidden letter (1943) 3. Tomorrow - never. (1955). 4. On the opposite side (1952) 5. In the third dream (1944) 6. Too early for the Thunder (1943)

The titles are from Sage Posts Meister 'a:

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1. Passage (1956)
2. Field of Silence (1942)
3. I saw three cities (1944)
4. Someone called me (1952)
5. Danger, construction work (1940)
6. 14 Daggers (1942)
7. Untitled (1941)
8. The upper side of the sky (1944)
9. In my room two doors (1939)

[Meister]

Сообщение от Art-lover

The names of pictures of Sage Posts Meister'a:

By the way, even pictures of her work very hard to find on the internet ... whether it has created not as many, or of obscurity, she has not got here ... by the way, a very promising investment artist can be, if we understand what legacy after she remained ...


Munch, to stay in our discussion ... You are a wonderful conversationalist)