Question - lost painting in the mail.

[artcol]

Originally Posted by vg_edger

KC prohibited and send and receive by mail, courier only . If sending in incoming customs find a subject that can be referred to the CC , they can invite an expert Ministry of Culture , to receive certificate of examination , then take the package and after the signature of the recipient immediately open a case on the recipient , such precedents have already been more than once.

Here's an example :
http://guns.allzip.org/topic/6/710237.html

In more:
http://sammler.ru/index.php?showtopic=90233&st=0

In these cases, the recipients are lucky that simply sending detained but have not organized a controlled delivery. An article in this case - the smuggling of KC, will not find it .

What's a "controlled delivery" ? What kind of world you live in?

[vg_edger]

Originally Posted by artcol

What's a "controlled delivery"? What kind of world you live?

This delivery under control of law enforcement authorities, where each step is properly logged and then filed the case.

Controlled delivery of goods across the customs border, is the operational-search activities, in which, with the knowledge and under the supervision of the operative-search activity, allowed importation into the customs territory of the Russian Federation, the removal from the territory or move on it imported tovarov.Pri movement of goods across the customs border of the controlled delivery is carried out in order to prevent, detect, prevent and solve crimes related to illegal trafficking tovarov.Inye bodies exercising operative investigation, conduct a controlled delivery of goods in coordination with the customs authorities. The procedure for such coordination is determined by agreement between the federal executive body authorized in the field of customs, and other federal executive body carrying out operative-search activity.

http://www.tamogkodeks.ru/kod/tamogk...s-glava42.html

[artcol]

Originally Posted by vg_edger

This delivery under control of law enforcement authorities, where each step is properly recorded and filed on the matter .

Report:
investigative activities , to what is called "controlled delivery" is performed only after at you brought CASE. This is called the collection of evidence.
Open a case on the results of a "controlled delivery" is not possible.

[cus]

Originally Posted by bykinist; 2424101"

painting artist from St. Petersburg in 1998.
I planted?

No, do not go to jail.

Originally Posted by artcol

Report:
investigative activities, to what is called "Controlled delivery" is performed only after at you brought CASE. This is called the collection of evidence.
Open a case on the results of a "controlled delivery" is impossible.

Dear Artcol, unfortunately this is misleading. Controlled delivery - is not investigative action, and operational-search activities. It is time, and is performed to detect, solve the crime and apprehend the perpetrators. Then the results come OPM investigator /investigator /prosecutor /court on this basis (and not only on this basis) the decision to prosecute. But it is - in general, especially - just below.

Originally Posted by Cyril Syzran

What's the problem?
Well, you were sent from, say, the Netherlands or Belgium picture by ordinary mail.
There sender decided the question in the post, he accepted the package with a minimum assessment and insurance, so it is not that valuable.
Comes to sending your customs, your cause, customs cleared her pay something if the estimated investment in the MPS above the exemption limit, get a release, the parcel under his arm and back.
All of the cases.

It's okay even when the controlled delivery (which is highly unlikely) happen. Well, detained for examination, vskroyutsya, conduct examination, then - administrativka (and the question). But this only applies to single parcels. But it is better, of course, not to become the object of development.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Originally Posted by cus; 2426351"

It's okay even when the controlled delivery ( which is highly unlikely ) happen. Well , detained for examination , vskroyutsya , conduct examination , then - administrativka (and the question) .

I graze, I know. >
And the funny thing is that I okromya all, also for his kindness und responsiveness suffered, helping one to our party.

Originally Posted by cus; 2426351"

But better, of course, not to become the object of development .

At me and struck up a business importing a car and its nerastamozhku . AAAAAAAAAAAAA ! ! ! ! !
Just over five years after the entry somewhere , as you said.
 > > >

[cus]

Originally Posted by Cyril Syzran ; 2426371"

I, for one , graze , I know.

I, too , with permanent > I tried not to break the law - do not believe ... Unhealthy they are people.
Yes, all this nonsense and Customs is well aware of ( a lot of work , and the output - " zilch "), so send with KC just unfold before. If I understand correctly , to change Russia can not do anything - the Universal Postal Convention has not been canceled (the prohibition on sending KC in MPS) . They say that in Germany the last 2 years have a problem with shipments KC -mail. I come out only cargo , mail, I do not really know, but familiar auctioneers say so. In the U.S. and Britain , and in many places , look the other way . In general, to whom you will get. But our custom in recent years, was back wrapped parcel.

[artcol]

Originally Posted by cus

Dear Artcol, unfortunately this is misleading. Controlled delivery - is not investigative action , and operational- search activities. It is time, and is performed to detect, solve the crime and apprehend the perpetrators . Then the results come OPM investigator /investigator /prosecutor /court on this basis (and not only on this basis ) the decision to prosecute. But it is - in general, especially - just below.

In general - yes.
Only at vg_edger not figured "supply " and "delivery" , ie presentation (as I understand). And this is the investigative action .

Originally Posted by vg_edger; 2424451"

This is so organized and controlled delivery and the recipient's signature is obtained on the receipt

[vg_edger]

Originally Posted by artcol

Well - yes.
Only at vg_edger not figured "supply " and "delivery" , ie presentation (as I understand). And this is the investigative action .

It's the same thing. Controlled delivery always end delivery. The term "delivery" is usually applied to the consignment , and of sending once accustomed to say " delivery" .

[artcol]

Originally Posted by vg_edger

This is the same thing. Controlled delivery always end delivery. The term "delivery" is usually applied to the consignment, and of sending once accustomed to say "delivery".

Okay, this may be a long debate.

My opinion:
1) control the delivery as a search action is not organized. In fact it is just logging routine.
2) If something is organized - it is already investigation, it must request a permit, etc.
3) most importantly, if the parcel out of the customs (ie Customs released her) - where is the receiver? He signed, received, and placed it in the closet KC. But for storing CC no criminal article, right?

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Originally Posted by cus

If I understand correctly, the change Russia can not do anything - the Universal Postal Convention has not been canceled (the prohibition on sending KC in MPS).

Ie it is written in the convention? And not the initiative of the Russian Federation?

Added after 5 minutes

Originally Posted by cus

Me too, with permanent > I tried not to break the law - do not believe ... Unhealthy they are people.

They have a plan. Once I pressed the cool, it was more than 100 episodes of violations of TC. Well, the guys realized and did not combine them into one case, reported, received awards. And on sled.god them for the previous plan increased by 2 times. A to-do-it is not real ...

[vg_edger]

I for myself have made ​​it a rule never anything to receive and not to send a simple email. First, there is always risk associated with the issue of KC or KC, albeit relatively small. Second, the loss of time. Third, the periodic loss of parcels. Thus , the premise loses courier services in every respect, even to save not succeed in the long term.