Establishing ownership of the furniture

[Romanuk]

Went through the forum, this topic is not found, because creating your own theme.

I was given a relative of an old chest of drawers. It is an antique, just over 100 years old. There are no documents in this locker was not by itself, because of its cultural and other values ​​no one thought (just an old chest of drawers was cracked for all).

Q: How can I set the ownership of this dresser? Please review all my ideas on this subject:
1) a gift from relatives to me (how I would have to confirm this fact, and problems can arise?)
2) through an open, continuous possession of the disputed property in good faith by the plaintiff for a long time (5 years) and the inability to find /install Property
3) through the involvement of any organizations that help shape the documents confirming the sale of an object to me?
4) a fact of bezhoznoy things.

How do things become antiques? <! - ~ 3 ~ -> 50 years and is a thing in the family "suddenly" become antiques, and documents on the purchase of "out of the nice chair" is gone. How to be in these cases? Help your reasoning. As a consultant, I still did not find anything useful.


Thanks in advance for all replies! <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Romanuk; 2031421 '

How can I set the ownership of this dresser ?

And why is that?

Сообщение от Romanuk; 2031421"

is 50 years old and a thing in the family " suddenly" become antiques , and documents on the purchase of " out of the nice chair " is gone. How to be in these cases ?

You do not.
While you 're sitting in a chair - it's just a chair.
What other "documents on the chair ?" For what?
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[Romanuk]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

And why is that?


You do not.
While you 're sitting in a chair - it's just a chair.
What other "documents on the chair ?" For what?
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I'm going to move abroad. my chest is very expensive , I want to take with them . but it may be necessary to obtain permission to export , but they ( gos.organy ) seek foundation of ownership of the antique equipment.
Hence the question of how to set a property right ?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Romanuk

they (gos.organy) seek the base of ownership of the antique equipment.

No, "they" did not seek.
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Сообщение от Romanuk

Hence the question of how to establish a property right?

This question reminds me of another well-known issue: "Prove that you are not a camel".

[Eriksson]

Сообщение от Romanuk; 2031481"

I'm going to move abroad. my chest is very expensive, I want to take with them. but it may be necessary to obtain permission to export, but they (gos.organy) seek foundation of ownership of the antique equipment.
Hence the question of how to set a property right?

To begin to determine whether your property is, in principle, antiques, and what has tsennost.Vyzovite appraiser to your home or send a photo and description of the subject in any auction house, there to set the age of the object and its market price.
Maybe not worth powder and shot, and your chest is valuable just for you.

Сообщение от Romanuk; 2031421"

How do things become antiques? 50 years and is a thing in the family "suddenly" become antiques,

50 years - not antiques, but what is all semiantik.
 

Сообщение от Romanuk; 2031421"

Question: How can I set the ownership of this dresser?

If you are afraid of the authorities claim (well, not stolen as a chest of drawers?: Rolleyes <! - ~ 1 ~ ->, please be certified by the dedication, photos, things in the interiors of different years, the document on property insurance, in which the item is indicated as a separate item .. .

But in general - why so much hassle? Signed by all your furniture is well-known master?

[Sobiratel]

Сообщение от Eriksson

why so much hassle

the road to man-thing that's bad ... and asks if you do not know, do not ask.)

[Romanuk]

Сообщение от Eriksson

The first step is to determine whether your property is, in principle, antiques, and what has tsennost.Vyzovite appraiser to your home or send a photo and description of the subject in any auction house, there to set the age of the object and its market price .
Maybe not worth powder and shot, and your chest is valuable just for you.

50 years - not antiques, but what is all semiantik.
 
If you are afraid of the authorities claim (well, not stolen as a chest of drawers?: Rolleyes <! - ~ 1 ~ ->, please be certified by the dedication, photos, things in the interiors of different years, the document on property insurance, in which the item is indicated as a separate item .. .

But in general - why so much hassle? Signed by all your furniture is well-known master?

Thank you, Eriksson, for his advice. I will reserve those documents that you recommend.
At one time I was asked an opinion on the dresser. Previously on the photo I was told about the following:
"Commode interesting. Psyche (add a mirror) is clearly the beginning of XIX. Strict form, flame veneer (so called special antique that is not tangential along than across the barrel, and an angle of about 30 degrees, cutting mahogany - a type of mahogany ), drawing veneer passes from one drawer to another, that is veneered facade of one sheet. All are signs of the furniture of Russian classicism beginning of the XIX century. This style is sometimes denoted as the "furniture of Pushkin's time."
 
The lower part of the subject has fashioned a side table top, drawing a tree and oarlocks are visible in the photo is bad. Consequently, what is said about the lower part of me is difficult, but overall, a worthy subject. "

So I guess that the object of some value still has, despite the lack of stamps (to my great regret). In addition to the inscription in German on the reverse side of the mirror with a pencil on the import of the mirror across the border from Italy in 1887, more than labels and stamps no.
Can recommend any appraisers or auction house and I'll update the value, but it really can do everything much easier than I originally expected.

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Сообщение от Sobiratel

Road man-thing that's bad ... and asks if you do not know, do not ask.)

Thank you for your support <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Romanuk

is clearly the beginning of XIX.

Removal of over 100 years kn banned for export from Russia.

[Romanuk]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Export from Russia over 100 years kn prohibited .

Who and what determines whether or not an object of cultural value?
As mentioned above, not everything that has created more than 50ti years ago is the antiques. Too, and I think cultural value - not everything that has created more than 100 years worth , the more cultural.

The question of establishing a right to object moved I still remain. If I am not to take even a chest , I want to right it was still behind me zadokumtirovano . If you 'll take - even more so.

Also still antiques such as take out , right?
Antiques are not synonymous with cultural value , I understand correctly ?

[Sobiratel]

I venture to suggest that because of the export authorization gives the Ministry of Culture, it makes sense to call back and ask what documents they need to provide for the resolution ... the resolution obtained, has a paper on the subject property ...