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Старый 25.02.2014, 01:32 Язык оригинала: Русский       #801
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Oddly enough , but for some reason I imagined , " building" as a building of bricks , which themselves are small , but are placed one upon the other and it turns out that requires knowledge of how to do it . And knowledge is sometimes not ... And it (ie only knowledge ) , may not be enough to do everything went the right way ... The image of this failure - Tower of Babel ( Brueghel painting ).
Speaking of the symbiotic relationship of knowledge ( as such !) On the language.

Appropriate to recall a passage from an essay on " direction " :
" ......... The Joker was standing with pointer in hand at painting and posing as a guide.
- You see the famous painting of the artist Pieter Bruegel the Elder . Artist who painted it on the biblical story , which I remind you now .


fig. Pieter Bruegel the Elder " Tower of Babel"

     Jester player turned museum , and in the office rang standard voice with text from Wikipedia : " The legendary tower, which is devoted to biblical tradition , as set out in Chapter 2 ," Noah " Genesis (verse 11:1-9 ) . According to legend, after the Deluge mankind was represented by one people speaking the same language . From the east people came to the land of Shinar ( in the lower reaches of the Tigris and Euphrates ) , where they decided to build a city (Babylon ), and a tower to heaven, to "make a name for himself ." Construction of the tower was interrupted by God, who has created new languages ​​for different people , because of what they no longer understand each other, could not continue the construction of the city and the tower and scattered throughout the earth. Thus , the story of the Tower of Babel explains the appearance of different languages ​​after the Deluge . "
- What is the tower ? - Jester asked slyly substituting ear for the answer.
    Esoteric felt trick and decided not to answer .
- I asked you to poddaknut , esotericism . In Russian - " Tower of Babel" , in English - "The Tower of Babel". Say out loud! In the English alphabet , my position with my code "B, b" is in second place , and in my Morse code " , in " Calculus has "two" . As you can see , the translation is made with a jeweler's precision . You want to ask " what does the principle of" Focus . " Answer. - Rant Joker for both. - Bruegel the Elder did not realize that after numerous verbal constructions Life inclined to implement only one . Draw " The Tower of Babel " had inclined in any direction . - Joker so poked pointer into the next picture of the Leaning Tower that almost tore her .


fig. Leaning Tower of Pisa .

- I , as a philosopher and philologist , has long said it is an important observation . And as esoteric , I think that the structure of the tower is named with a hint of a head - to head off thoughts about the different ways of life paths before the slope to obtain. "


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I think the metaphor of the " after the Flood , mankind has been represented by one people speaking the same language " should be understood as a flood the entire Earth unified comprehension of the alphabet , ie, comprehension of the aeons that I called natural principles.
Metaphor " Construction of the tower was interrupted by God " sets the title for the third , voiced , component in the triune member property alphabetic system (physical - reasonable - divine ) . History of the Tower of Babel notifies that the appearance of the property system evolution scoring divine meanings for different peoples turned out different .
The conclusion : Two " physical - reasonable" element alphabetic system that is the place of the physical properties of the common system of natural properties , this is what we call knowledge of meaning. Tower of Babel - the ancient image of knowledge of the meaning .
Are there other modern images ?
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place of physical properties in the general system of natural properties , this is what we call knowledge of meaning .
Felt , felt , heard , saw ... but did not say anything , not expressed , not expressed ... perceived left in me ... without attention. Something called the subconscious , unconscious, unwitting , not mind-controlled ... But it can not be said about the "out of consciousness."

This " something " coexists with consciousness and knowledge, and it can not influence the fate . There is an interesting site " Secrets of the subconscious - Psi-Technology" the secret of the power of human awareness . This " something " as it is attached and to the language and activities.

I think that the letter signed "H" denotes the general awareness , aware of, and were unaware that service logic.

Philosophers write: " The logic - the art to think correctly ; science of the laws of intellectual cognition, knowledge about how to obtain intelligence about achieving truth in the learning process mediated by knowledge of previously obtained .
The main task of logic - get real knowledge about the subject of reflection, often unconsciously, with errors .
Own logical thinking - a natural process , but it does not guarantee the attainment of truth , since the latter depends on the amount of information required. Help intuition , emotions , images. "

It seems to me that the term "logic" reflects one of the qualities (possibly very important) natural principle with the code " N" . However, the meaning of the principle is not very clear.
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Старый 27.02.2014, 14:06 Язык оригинала: Русский       #803
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Was the question : "I wonder what develops precise or exact name of the object being studied (or image ) , and how this affects the zigzags of knowledge? "

In search of an answer we came to accord "h D Contents - s H Contents " and the image of " Tower of Babel" , caused by the saying " The action gives being and thought - knowledge."

I think that the term "logic" , with vague explanations , denotes the bridge between physics and metaphysics, by which people darting back and forth in the process of building a lifetime. This bridge is a deep, deep in the lair of man and mankind.

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Theme "The Tower of Babel" in my view is closely associated with a group of terms of subject- object - project ... Feeling meanings of phonemes , I think the term " project " represents a bridge from metaphysics to physics , ie the creation Idea.
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Until now, there was a search for the principles of nature ( eon ) encoded letter. And now , in true shown K. Mahler way , there was a problem called eon "H" as accurately as possible .

The terms " knowledge" and "teaching" (Greek gnosis - knowledge , logos - teaching) combines " epistemology " is the theory of learning- as such. She considers cognition as the ratio of subject-researcher endowed with consciousness and will, to the opposing object , independent of consciousness and will of the subject and its associated cognitive processes only . Reliability and validity of cognition define its capabilities, referred to as a project.
Conclusion: The meaning eon " N " - [SIZE="3" ]cognition[/SIZE], including the implementation of the previously unknown .
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Meaning eon " Cognition " provokes a crazy idea: " Everything possible has been, or could be. Or else will ."
Is not this idea is expressed by the term " Mother of God "?
( Justified naiperveyshim definition from Wikipedia : TERM formal logic - intuitively certain expression of a formal language ( the system) is the formal name of the object or the name of the form . ( C)
Now , it is clear than the " term " is different from " thermos. )

Virgin Mary , Mother of God, Virgin Mary , the Blessed Virgin , Madonna, Miriam , Mother of God , Queen of Heaven ... - church image eon " Cognition "



"The introduction of Mary in the Temple ," Titian , the Galleria dell'Accademia , Venice, 1534-38

Main idea - a symbol of unity in the future with the outgoing dust ( image of an old woman with a basket of eggs ) - injected into the most front. And next " Malevich's Black Square " ! And a lot of places allocated magrittovskim bricks - steps.



Bothers me: Constantine the Philosopher (aka St. Cyril ) , Titian , Malevich , Magritte ... were devoted elected ? or meaningful religious faith gives images the deepest and broadest outlook, closing endless chain ... - Religion - ideology -Science- Philosophy - Religion - ... ? ? ?

Theme Birthday communication and Dust present on other painting by Titian - "Venus of Urbino ." Symbol birthday - the bosom of a beautiful woman , a symbol of the Ashes - trunk with clothes , a symbol of the psychology of understanding knowable - psinka curled .



Subject Faith ( Image "door" ) and the Birth of discrete clouds of heaven and comparable blocks of nothingness has been mentioned when thinking creativity Magritte .
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image of an old woman with a basket of eggs
  
Is it a woman?
Size hands clearly indicates that it is the man.
  
And the main idea - in the middle at the top.

Whose statue there?


PS Besides the lower a person turned away from the church.
And it sells - of dead chickens.



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Is it a woman? Size hands clearly indicates that it is the man .
And the main idea - in the middle at the top .
Whose statue there ?

PS Besides the lower a person turned away from the church. And it sells - of dead chickens
Neck, first of all, you are ahead of the full spelling of my message. And, secondly, please explain , their objections . Where do you see dead chickens? What kind of statue of your speech ?

I found only this : http://pereprava.org/trust/1721-vved...ogorodicy.html

fig. Presentation of the Blessed Virgin. Fresco Kraljevo church. Studenica . XIV.


 
Imperceptibly flown three years ... They were the most joyful in the life of Joachim and Anna . First words , the first tentative steps of the baby Mary - all filled heart - old parents quiet joy . And when her face again and again lit up with a cute and bright smile , parents felt the happiest people in the world.
But no matter how well they may be all together, Joachim and Anna never once forgot about his promise to the Lord, they have to give my daughter to him who gave it to them . And when Mary was three years old , his parents decided it was time to fulfill the promise. So it was decided at that time, gave children consecrated the temple in Jerusalem , where they lived, studied and trained .
Little did Mary was not afraid upcoming separation from his mother and father - because she knew about God from early childhood . Parents are often told her that she was born due to the Lord that even before birth devoted to Him. And barely learned to speak , Mary had to say his name to his children's prayers and requests ...
At the forthcoming celebration of dedication to the custom house of Jehoiakim were invited relatives, friends , neighbors, acquaintances and peers Mary. Having prepared everything necessary for the triumph of the road and they all went in not a short way ...
Three days later, finally seemed majestic Jerusalem . After the rest , dressed in festive clothes , travelers come to the Holy City . As was expected, were singing in front of a girl with burning torches in their hands behind them - Joachim and Anna Maria and all the rest. The solemn procession went to the temple.
Here they were waiting for the priests . In the temple were fifteen high steps. Anxious parents brought the baby to Mary the first of them. And then all of a sudden , no one supports, it is easy to overcome all the stairs and faced the chief priest - the high priest Zechariah .
 
fig. Introduction of the Theotokos
Titian . Introduction Mary in the Temple . 1534 - 1538 . Venice Academy


 
Happened next and did the unthinkable: Zacharias took the girl by the hand and led her deeper into the temple , the room called the Holy of Holies - the special place of God's presence . But here were not allowed to enter even the priests , and only the high priest entered the Holy of Holies only once a year for a sacrifice .
Mary of Nazareth satellites surprise was not the limit - because they did not know that the Holy Spirit revealed to Zacharias the future purpose of this little girl.
After the solemn rite Joachim and Anna returned to Nazareth , and their daughter continued to live at the temple . Together with the other girls after morning prayers She studied the law of God , teach reading and writing , engaged in needlework ( spinning , weaving and sewing ) and care of the sick . She was the most pious , kind and gentle of all.
So quietly passed nine years ... And then her life was marred by the sad news that his father had died , the octogenarian Joachim . Widowed Anna soon moved to Jerusalem, close to the Daughters . But two years later, and she died ...
Sad children live without parents, but Mary, though grieved , felt God's love and comfort. And then she decided to devote all his life to God alone .
According to the Law of Moses as the girls who were brought up in the house, can stay here just to fourteen years, and then had to get married. So when came fourteenth birthday Mary and priests told her that she should leave the temple and elect him a man , Mary told them of his decision .
 
fig. Introduction of the Theotokos
Presentation in the Temple . Fragment of a fresco . Church of the Assumption on Volotovo field. Novgorod


 
Words damsel puzzled clergy. They did not know what to do, what to do - it was impossible to break the law ! But soon the way out of this predicament was found : Mary decided to give the care of a decent person - that she lived in his house , and he would take care of the orphan as a proper husband.
For this temple invited twelve unmarried and widowed men of King David . To know God's will , who are destined to become imaginary husband of Mary , the high priest took their staffs and with the words : "Lord ! Reveal husband worthy to be engaged to the Virgin "- put them on the altar of the Lord .
In the morning they saw that one staff blossomed . It was a staff widower Joseph , kind and righteous elder of Nazareth - God's will was evident.
After the betrothal , Joseph and Mary left Jerusalem . Returning to Nazareth, Mary moved into the house of a poor carpenter. Here Her quiet and godly life almost did not differ from normal life in the church - She also engaged in needlework and Joseph helped with the housework. But most of the time devoted to reading the Virgin Mary sacred books and prayer. (Olga Glagoleva )

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I read all of the text as a set of metaphors , which are especially important for me the number .

Interesting fragment of a fresco in the church of the Assumption on Volotovo field in Novgorod, which essentially shows Trinity completion unspoken.
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"Venus of Urbino»

This is a portrait of the Duchess of Urbino.
It first entered the picture home design: maid rummaging in the trunk with clothes ...

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accurate or exact name of the object being studied (or image), and how this affects the zigzags of knowledge? "

Perhaps it affects the immediate interpretation that will lead in a certain direction ...
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Perhaps it affects the immediate interpretation that will lead in a certain direction ...
All true. Tell - show details give direction . That's why I included the image of the towers in the essay "The principle of the" Direction " .

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For alpha- alphabetic "H" found meaning eon , icon, pictorial images .
Clarifying question remains to name eon . " Cognition " or " knowledge" ?

In favor of the former - the presence of "B" code principle of " Focus ."
In favor of the second - enhanced , " n " , coming from the metaphor " the mother of the Virgin Mary was the name Anna". Name Anna I understood from the biblical texts as a reversal of the innocence of ignorance of involvement in the knower .

Or a different approach. Perfect or imperfect view of the action implied in the sense eon ? With about Trinity icon - perfect . Entering the alphabets religions - imperfect .
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"Cognition" or "Knowledge"?

Better "knowledge", it is more comprehensive.
Cognition - more private: cognition of something specific ... Cognition - an important and common philosophical term.
So you will understand better.
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