Продам: Saryan, 1911, expert opinion from the State Tretyakov Gallery

[Seriy]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

You Seriy, in the pictures-Ixygon. The real sign?
Who else will come "from under the cover of" his nickname-Gnehm?

And, forum, actively involved in this topic, who angered fakes Saryan?

Under a good thing, sign up for any problems?
Only I do not understand, and how committed those transactions? For while no one of the original paintings, no conclusions have not seen the original. Maybe it's all a joke? In the documentary phase of all is not yet passed, T e is not yet signed under what.
And if the real conclusion?
means something Saryan's paintings?

About Art as I say nothing, because when you view the partition Buy the impression that the normal work of highly normal size in the normal state of the market generally does not happen ....

[Alenka]

Сообщение от Mr-y

The discussion about the picture "Saryan??" smysl.Prodavets completely lost in America, we are here in Rossii.Kto will send the money in the U.S., even on a perfect picture?. kto.Kto Neither will a forgery of the artist as Sarian without Russian expertise and kontsultatsy with his expert? No one.
Then why wasting time and discuss it is not clear that ???

Thank you. One of the few sensible statements. Moreover, transfer money anywhere is not necessary. All only at personal meetings. But the process of the transaction were not discussed. But it is already in the past.
Thanks to all participants fiery speeches. Spark vozgaritsya flame!

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от Mr-y

It is the right decision taken GRM, TG and center im.ak.Grabarya when stopped issuing razvernuytye zaklyucheniya.Teper have poddelschikov, no reference material for the production falshakov.
While detailed examination of cost 2 times more expensive than usual.
Perelitsovki we have already passed, "bad signature" too, is left now to do falsification conclusions.

Lack of detailed examinations, as well as "negative", is just the hands of a corrupt market. Ie poddelschikam and impure into the hands of experts and dealers. Look carefully at least for examination, presentation at the beginning of this topic! It's just Filkin Diploma! How you can get a text consisting of the three proposals in the examination of the thing, which, even at first glance, is not typical for Saryan! This lack of common expertise requirements make this possible!

A detailed examination can not improve the quality of fakes! First, qualitative information on signatures, writing style and other features of the works of an artist can receive in the public domain, and if this is not enough to mislead the expert, you can try and get more detailed information. Secondly, high-falshaki can be done only talented people, which, by definition, can not be much. These people must have a professional art education and, as a rule, themselves have access to necessary information.

Openness same information will help ensure that the experts will receive a large sum of their fees is not a "scribble" (such as that which we have provided here), but for serious work, which they held, and for the unique skills and knowledge which, in my opinion must have each expert in their narrow specialization. Now we are paying not for the unique skills and abilities of experts, and a piece of paper with the seal of that issue often completely random people who were in their seats as an acquaintance, not by birth! Not surprisingly, these random "experts", having neither the necessary knowledge or relevant skills, get up, sooner or later, someone accidentally, and who completely realized, on a criminal path! ..

 Of course, this does not apply to a respectable and respected connoisseurs, who is among the experts and dealers who are not tarnished its reputation! Do not tire of repeating, and the obvious truth that the real professional dealer is always an expert in the field of art, objects which he sells. This dealer takes the money, not only because it has access to unique works of art, but also for what has unique experience and knowledge to enable it to guarantee the purity of the transaction. If the dealer, except otherwise stated, refuses to take responsibility for selling them to an object, it is either a crook or a random person!

[Tana]

There are people who can explain everything and they understand, but there is a category in which just a pity to waste time (and not need it Alenka, it needs to sell, and we are here with expertise climb), people should not be this.
Personally, I am grateful to all participants in the discussion for himself learned a lot.

[Тютчев]

Сообщение от Tana

There are people who can explain everything and they understand, but there is a category in which just a pity to waste time (and do not need it Alenka, it needs to sell, and we are here to examinations climb), a person is not worth it.
Personally, I am grateful to all participants in the discussion for himself learned a lot.

Tana, I understand that need, Alenka! "Do not be this correspondence public, I would not respond to this proposal" Saryan's works. But we read many, and so our communication is gaining meaning!

 
What it tells me that Alenka not quite that (or the ) for whom she claims to be! While perhaps a misprint, and more! But the pressure from Alenka, certainly not ladies ...

Thank you. One of the few sensible statements. Moreover, transfer money anywhere is not necessary. All only at personal meetings. But the process of the transaction were not discussed. But it is already in the past.
Thanks to all participants fiery speeches. Spark vozgaritsya flame!

Сообщение от Alenka

... But the process of the transaction shall not be discussed al...

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The letter Ruzan Sarian uriart y:
  House-museum of M. Saryan is not licensed to issue expert opinions and we did not issue the certificates.
....................................
 
Experts GTG exercise their authority and participating in suspicious transactions for profit.



So it compare and what to refer?
House-museum "does not issue certificates, and GTG issues. What's next?
What is the letter that it must demonstrate, to prove?
I do not understand ...

[luka77]

In any case, this is a very prestigious museum and view documents or orally uttered by playing a decisive role, when in doubt in the commission of a transaction relating to the legacy of the Master. I know cases, when Sotheby's called an expert from Yerevan to London, despite the availability of authoritative "lomizetipnyh 'opinions.

[Tana]

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

So it compare and what to refer?
House-museum "does not issue certificates, and GTG issues. What's next?
What is the letter that it must demonstrate, to prove?
I do not know ...

Cyril Syzransky I think here is not to be cunning, if you have an expert that you trust, even if he does not issue a written opinion, you still will trust him, because confident in his competence, even if you will claim "this record with the stamp" from an expert who can give in written opinion (especially if it is seen to issue assessments for fakes).

[Wladzislaw]

Сообщение от Alenka

With pleasure, will hear Ms. Sarian. Finally discover the mystery of why, according to representatives of Christie's and Sotheby's, it reiterated its opposite.

I do not any qualified to judge the creativity of the artist Saryan. But I'm interested in the formalities. I would like to see Christie's and Sotheby's documents, which indicated that Ms. Sarian Ruzan confirms called auction houses listed on the authorship Saryan your pictures.

[uriart]

To be honest, so very sorry about that got into this discussion.
Scourge butt not pereshibesh!
Counterfeits have been, are and will be endlessly appear on the art market.
And such Alenka and others like them, they will push through and push through all possible methods.
But such experts lomizisty and gofmanisty will write their own compositions such work and receive their 30 pieces of silver!
And after will give interviews and blaspheme the same manufacturers of fakes!
The circle of the Lord!
No longer debated.
: I feel sick from all this !!!!!!!!!


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Fragment of Picasso's "Woman in Blue Hat" from staratel.com
Fragment of Picasso's "Woman in Blue Hat" from staratel.com
American antiquarian suspected of selling fake Picasso
American antiquarian suspected of selling fake paintings of Spanish artist Pablo Picasso. This January 9 reported Agence France-Presse.

According to the FBI, an art dealer and the owner of a private gallery in Hollywood, Tatyana Khan (Tatiana Khan), in 2006, commissioned one artist a copy of Picasso's "Woman in a blue hat." Paying for executed copy of U.S. $ 1000, Khan quickly sold it for two million.

In 2009, the buyer asked the expert on the works of Picasso, who suggested that the acquisition of the picture is not original.

The ongoing investigation in this case the FBI had seized a picture of Willem de Kooning (Willem de Kooning), previously acquired by Tatiana for 700000 dollars. Under the assumption of investigators, this painting was bought on the proceeds from the sale of counterfeit Picasso.

If wine antiquarian confirmed, she faces up to 45 years imprisonment.