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Alenka 06.01.2010 13:35

Saryan, 1911, expert opinion from the State Tretyakov Gallery
 
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M. Saryan, 1911, 19.2h29.6 cm, cardboard, tempera
Expert opinion issued by the State Tretyakov Gallery in 2003.

Please send proposals to personal mail. Thanks

Тютчев 07.01.2010 01:22

Saryan ...
 
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Сообщение от Alenka (Сообщение 834812)
M. Saryan, 1911, 19.2h29.6 cm, cardboard, tempera
Expert opinion issued by the State Tretyakov Gallery in 2003.

Please send proposals to personal mail. Thanks

Despite the expertise of Hoffman and Lomize, I can not make myself believe that this work Saryan. I can not, because the volume of the views I have reproductions of works by the artist depicting his favorite colors so I could not find one similar to this one. Ie Sarian in my life is not written and not painted in any way remotely resembling a flower or a still life or a landscape, or tempera, or oil, or pencil, or watercolor? Of course, in this hard to believe!

Work is Saryan "Lotus", which is referred to experts from the State Tretyakov Gallery, can not serve as an argument in favor of the authenticity of the picture before us. In the "Lotus" is clearly visible, the manner Saryan, which will be characteristic of the artist's works created by them throughout their subsequent life. Pay attention to how the artist depicted a flower. It consists of two large patches of color - white (petals) and yellow (core). This is the color concise and relative shape in the image of the object will be characterized by subsequent works of the artist. If you compare one of the late works of the master - "Poppy" in 1958, where the buds open flowers are the center of the composition, occupying the main space works just like a bud in the "Lotus" in 1911, we see that the artist Over time, remained true to its style and depicts flowers with two or three large patches of color, brings to the conventions of the image shape, but it accurately conveys the plastic of the subject .. Present your work is not consistent with this fine principle Saryan.
 
Perhaps the experts GTG is an irrefutable argument in favor of the authenticity of your pictures, but due to the uniqueness of the case, they should point to the incontestable piece, based on which they came to their conclusion. Otherwise, their examination was inconclusive.

I bring three dozen works Saryan, on which he painted flowers. Emphasis is placed on work 10 - 20 - ies.

Тютчев 07.01.2010 01:27

Saryan ...
 
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Flowers Saryan:

Тютчев 07.01.2010 01:30

Saryan ...
 
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Alenka 07.01.2010 02:05

Tjutchev, thank you for the work done. Your question certainly have a right to exist. From my side it would be foolish to tear his shirt on his chest and beat his chest, proving the authenticity of expertise. If you are interested in this job and you are considering the possibility of acquiring it, why do not you contact the State Tretyakov Gallery, and to confirm (or deny) this conclusion, and find out why and on what grounds the experts to draw such conclusions about the authenticity, and why did not indicate "on the incontestable work, based on which they came to his conclusion."
Otherwise, doubts about the authenticity immet right to exist, but unfortunately, groundless.
And the issues raised by you, rather to the experts, not me .....

Евгений 07.01.2010 14:07

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Сообщение от Tjutchev (Сообщение 836132)
Despite the expertise Hoffman and Lomize, I can not make myself believe that this work Saryan.

 
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Сообщение от Samvel (Сообщение 837052)
Dear Alenka, except for chem. analysis, there are many wonderful things (factors) on examination of paintings by M. Saryan, which is not you, not "Assi" on a fake not vkurse. I want one of these secrets to reveal, to the master of fake pictures too did not work. The fact that Martiros s1907 to 1914 led the notebook-diary detailing all their zapisoval sold and donated works, so that no new unknown paintings of this period, when they appear not one himself a respected expert not confirmed.
P.S. You exhibited works, among saryanovskih falshakov can zanemat high places

Given the information the distinguished collector Samvel O., we can assume that this work with great probability, is also a fake works of M. Saryan ...
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Сообщение от Tjutchev (Сообщение 836132)
Lomize,

On the "expertise" I. Lomize written and more than once:
".... Also in the catalog (Catalog fakes ,1-4 volume) carried an interview of one of the biggest collectors in Russia, Alfa Bank president Pyotr Aven, which he gave the publisher of the directory also collector Vladimir Roshchin. The essence of his in the literal and sharp indictment Russian experts and Russian antiquities market in the uncleanliness and corruption. "I believe that we should not hesitate to name names - says Peter Aven, - Here are the experts GTG Valyaeva or Lomize. They are very few people trust ......"
http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?Do...6&ThemesID=183
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Here's another fake with the "expertise" I. Lomize
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Сообщение от Oleg Nazarov (Сообщение 711892)
That's a fake Saryan with original papers from the State Tretyakov Gallery .... signature too real .... weak odd job, can be seen as zastaren canvas etc. ...
I saw her in the 2008m, but probably now somewhere wandering hand


uriart 07.01.2010 15:44

Alenka, of course you have chosen the correct tactics of sales!
What? Judge confirms! So to him and all claims!
Although forgotten the old phrase from a very well-known Jewish joke: "Bute is not on the passport, but in the face!" This is so, to be remembered!
And in the states you can not hide, and they'll get, and will return!
You have not got in the States, Kennedy was shot in broad daylight? Or maybe in Peru?
And in your little fairy who believes in this forum to expedite the sale.
Today is not the situation. And people are very cautious to part with money.
Especially from such vendors without a reputation as you.
Jumped, like a jack of snuff, see what I will soon!
Just showed how immediately and bought!
Put your Saryan on auctions to Shapiro or Trinity, where they belong.
And even better on Ebeye.
There you do not claim to be, especially with expertise!
Storyteller you're new!

Alenka 07.01.2010 18:45

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Сообщение от uriart (Сообщение 837242)
Alenka, of course you have chosen the correct tactics of sales!
What? Judge confirms! So to him and all claims!
Although forgotten the old phrase from a very well-known Jewish joke: "Bute is not on the passport, but in the face!" This is so, to be remembered!
And in the states you can not hide, and they'll get, and will return!
You have not got in the States, Kennedy was shot in broad daylight? Or maybe in Peru?
And in your little fairy who believes in this forum to expedite the sale.
Today is not the situation. And people are very cautious to part with money.
Especially from such vendors without a reputation as you.
Jumped, like a jack of snuff, see what I will soon!
Just showed how immediately and bought!
Put your Saryan on auctions to Shapiro or Trinity, where they belong.
And even better on Ebeye.
There you do not claim to be, especially with expertise!
Storyteller you're new!


My dear and "company", spaisbo you for your labels .... The Russian language has left very few words that you had called me yet ... But it is your right. Actually, I do not sell through the Internet, just thought that this site brings together an intelligent people ..... no ....
Thanks. Interplay prove that you are very clever and can determine the authenticity of the paintings are not holding it in his hands. Good luck.

Added after 25 minutes
You are tired of me, my dear! I understand your anger, rather envy! Beware, bile is very destructive to the body .... Good luck.

Tana 07.01.2010 19:19

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Сообщение от Alenka (Сообщение 837852)
Actually, I do not sell through the Internet, just thought that this site brings together an intelligent people ..... no ....

so all is, yes, may have helped someone does not buy falshak.

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Сообщение от Alenka (Сообщение 834932)
Etching engraved on the metal, these sketches are made with ink on paper. The reflection may be due to the flash of the camera. This is my opinion ....

"somehow she see what's what"
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Сообщение от Alenka (Сообщение 837852)
Thank you. Interplay prove that you are very clever and can determine the authenticity of the paintings are not holding it in his hands. Good luck.

Alenka you are still not valid, in at least help you to distinguish the etchings from the computer graphics that you could not distinguish in their hands, you can even sign pointing to the circulation did not notice the <! -- - ~ 1 ~ - and then you want to be blindly believed?

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Сообщение от Alenka (Сообщение 837852)
You are tired of me, my dear! I understand your anger, rather envy! Beware, bile is very destructive to the body .... Good luck.

 and believe me, you do not envy what?
Conversely help you understand that you have and think more seriously the fact that you are selling.

uriart 07.01.2010 19:42

Alenka, me, my bile is useful for the digestion of fatty foods.
Who is spending?


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