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Старый 22.04.2013, 11:33 Язык оригинала: Русский       #461
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Hollandup, nor did I mention the borrowing process . In fact, I imagine the following situation : the Anglo- Saka missionary , trying to express the idea that " In the beginning was the Word," spring awakening and look around , pointing at the fluffy bud wood, repeatedly hammered "verb" - "verb" - "verb"; born so the name " willow " and the connection symbol pervosti to learning , " In the beginning was the Word."



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Hollandup, nor did I mention the borrowing process . In fact, I imagine the following situation : the Anglo- Saka missionary , trying to express the idea that " In the beginning was the Word," spring awakening and look around , pointing at the fluffy bud wood, repeatedly hammered "verb" - "verb" - "verb"; born so the name " willow " and the connection symbol pervosti to learning , " In the beginning was the Word ".
if the Flemish translation ( of the Bible ) is obtained by such a sense of

Johannes 1 "Het Woord is vlees geworden en het heeft onder ons gewoond"
" And the Word became flesh ( meat) and dwelt among us"

This is built on a lot of theories and doctrines , such as those affirmations.



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Hollandup, Wittgenstein used to say: "the language of thought to change clothes ."

As for the translation from the Flemish , the meaning of " And the Word became flesh ( meat) and dwelt among us" I feel like the difference concepts of " existence " and "reality." Let me explain . Things - it physically exists in the form of matter and /or process. Re_al_noe - this thought /feeling /sensation , to choose for themselves the properties of the images and which has been able to express physically existing words, that is made ​​flesh ( meat).



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You have certainly sorry that I sometimes saturating theme Gurdjieff, just saw something similar in the subject and decided to put this one can say lektsiyu.Suschnost and personality
America, 29 March 1929

... You need to understand that each person has two completely separate parts, like two different people - his essence and his personality.

Essence - is "I", our inheritance, our type, nature, nature.

Personality - a random thing: education, education, attitudes, ie everything external. It's like the clothes you wear, your fake mask, the result of your upbringing, your environment influences, opinions, consisting of information and knowledge: such views are changing every day, one of them cancels the other.

Today you believe in one, believe it and want it. Tomorrow, under the influence of some other influence your belief and your desire to become the other. All material constituting your identity can be completely changed by artificial means or by accident, together with the change of the conditions around you and place. This change can happen in a very short time.

The essence does not change. For example, I have dark skin, and I'll stay the way was born. This is my type of accessory.

When we are talking here about development and change, we are talking about an entity. Personality is in bondage, and she can change very quickly, in just over half an hour. For example, through hypnosis, you can change your beliefs. This is possible because they are foreign to you are not your own. And that applies to our being - it is our property.

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We are always creating opinion within the entity. Every effect is mechanical excites an opinion. You can love me mechanically, and thus mechanically register this impression of me. But it's not you. This impression comes not from consciousness, it comes mechanically. Sympathy and antipathy - a matter of matching types, deep down you love me, and even though you know the mind that I - a bad person, that I do not deserve your location, you can not stop loving me. Or again, you can see that I'm a good person, but you do not love me, and so the case remains in the same place.

But you can not create internal opinions. Currently, you can not do it because your nature is a function. The essence is composed of many centers, but the person has only one center - forming apparatus.

The point ... is to restore the lost, not to acquire anything new. It is the goal of development. For this it is necessary to distinguish between essence and personality, to separate them. When you learn this, you'll see how and what to change. In the meantime, you are left with only one option - to learn. You are weak, dependent, in bondage. It is hard to like this, just break the habits that have accumulated over years and years. Later be able to replace some other habit that will also be mechanical. Man is always dependent on external influences, but some of the effects prevent it and some do not.

To begin with, we need to prepare the conditions for the work; many such conditions. Currently, you can only observe and gather material that is useful to work, you will not be able to distinguish where your manifestations come-from the spirit or personality. But if you look carefully, you might then realize it. As long as you collect the stuff you can not see anything: a person is usually only one attention directed at what he does. His mind does not see sense and vice versa.

For more surveillance is needed, and above all honesty with oneself. It is very difficult, much easier to be honest with others. The man is afraid to see something bad, afraid that, by chance looking deep within, he sees his own stuff, his own insignificance. We have a habit banish thoughts of yourself, because we are afraid of remorse. Sincerity may be the key that opens the door, and through it a part of us sees the other. With a sincerity, a person is able to see and something to see. The sincerity with oneself is very difficult, because the essence has acquired a thick crust. Year after year, the person puts on new clothes, a new mask. All this should be gradually removed, we must free ourselves, to reveal. As long as one does not open, he did not see it. There is one exercise that is very useful in the beginning, it helps us to see ourselves, to collect material. This exercise is to get into the position of another person. One should take it as a challenge. Let me explain what I mean. Take a simple fact. I know that by tomorrow, you need a hundred dollars, and you do not got, tried to get it, but failed. You are depressed. Your thoughts and feelings are busy with this problem. In the evening, you sit here, in a lecture, one half of your continuing to think about the money. You are inattentive, nervousness. If I was rude to you at another time, you would not get mad like today. Maybe tomorrow, when you pull out the money, you will laugh at themselves. And now, seeing that you are angry. I know that you are not always so, try to get in your position. I ask myself what I'd do in your place, if someone showed me rude. Often asking yourself this question, I will soon understand that if you angered rudeness or insulted, so in that moment it was available for some reason. I will soon understand that all people are alike, and no one of them is always good or always bad. We are all the same: as I am changing. so too does the other. If you understand it well and remember, if you think about the task at hand and become implement it at the right time, you'll find a lot in themselves and in their environment, a lot of things not seen before. This is the first step.

The second step - the practice in concentration. Through this exercise, you will be able to reach the other. Introspection is very difficult, but can give a lot, great stuff. If you remember how you show yourself as you wish, as adjust as you feel you learn a lot. Sometimes immediately be able to understand what is the idea that it feels that such a body.

Each of our parts are under different influences, and if we get rid of one, we become slaves to the other. For example, I can achieve freedom in the sphere of the mind, but can not change the emanations of his body - the body reacts differently. The man sitting next to me, affects me with his emanations. I know that. I should be polite to him, but feel a dislike to him. Each center has its own emanations, and sometimes there is no escape from them. Very useful to combine the exercise is to put oneself in another's place, with the self-observation.

But we all forget and remember only the "backdating." At the right moment our attention is taken, for example. the fact that we do not like this man, and we feel this is nothing we can do about it. But the facts should not be forgotten: they should be registered in the memory. Taste experiences maintained only for some time. Left unattended, the manifestations disappear. Need to celebrate an event in memory, otherwise you will forget everything. But we want to - do not forget. There are a lot of things that are rarely repeated. By chance you see something, but if you do not fix what they saw in memory, you'll forget it and lose. If you want to "find America", you need to capture it in memory. Sitting in a room, you will not see anything, you need to observe life. In your room you will not be able to master. A man can be strong in the monastery, but weak in life, and we need the strength to live. For example, in the monastery one can a week without food, but in life he can not do without it, and three hours. Which in this case is the use of its exercise?



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You have certainly sorry that I sometimes saturating theme Gurdjieff, just saw something similar in the subject and decided to put this one can say lektsiyu.Suschnost and personality
Samvel, saturation topic discussion of vital issues is welcome.

Gurdjieff's lecture "The essence and personality," resonates with the theme of "intellectual and intellectual." A year ago, in April 2012, I came to the forum Artinvestmenta and immediately faced with the opinion "that the country (in Russia) there is no intelligentsia." I responded to this message by writing an essay "Intel ...", which is placed in his diary. Samvel, if I did not know wisdom that quickly come upon you - in diaries drop is much less than in the same message. So now, in discussing the problem of coexistence of "Body and Soul," I believe in a timely transfer essay "Intel ..." here, in the message.

Intel ...

      Click - and I'm in the site «ARTinvestment». 16.04.2012 guru throws Tjutchev information from Moscow RIA Novosti, giving it the title "Almost every second Russian believes that there is no intelligentsia." The text begins with the phrase: "The majority of Russians believe that intellectuals do not have much influence on events in the country, and about half the population does believe that the intelligentsia in Russia has almost disappeared ... . "
     It is necessary to clarify "Tjutchev" - is, as it is on the Internet, the nick site, and "guru" - activity and reputation. Once every guru began its presence in the online novice, then, after passing various stages, becoming an authority, and finally the guru.
    So, as in any forum, in the stated theme other nicknames delve immediately. Someone who is not too polite, through thoughtlessness immediately refuses to discuss the topical issue. And then the administrator to keep the interlocutors, starts talking about intervention in the affairs of religious organizations of the state. This is a highly relevant topic people are interested in, and they began to express their views on the secular and religious education, the financing of the church, about the morality of the modern clergy, and about the "leaven" guru Tyutcheva forgotten. Then another guru helps push coming to a forum in the prepared bed and elaborates: "The intelligentsia - the word became bashful. The word intelligentsia moral principle. Now there was a man of the new formation: intellectual-consumer with higher education. It's like comparing a bee and wasp looks like, but there is a difference. "
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In this magnificent mosaic of concepts and images are the definitions of "intellectual" and "intellectual" is so visible, and that I wanted to reveal the secret of the words "intelligence" and "intelligence" and said: "My friends, look into the definition. The nature and character of these phenomena recorded synthesis of letters and phonemes. Here's a look: common to both concepts of "intel" means ... "And then I stopped short. After all, none of the members of the forum have not read my book "The Evolution of Rights", which means, it's ridiculous to refer to the pages of her chapters on the conceptual primer, a metaphysical synthesis.
     While I was thinking, how can I not show the correct way of narrative understanding of words, Somebody, refused to discuss the influence of intellectuals on the course of events in Russia, including a very useful discussion and quoted from a very interesting article "Andrei hinny about what to do next": " Something felt Kremlin PR technologists, making antagonism of the people and the intelligentsia basis of the election campaign. <...> Silly to call people to repentance <...> And anyway, blame the people - it's like that blame for our cold weather. Finland has built a good road and a warm home - and winter has become a Christmas story. With people - the same thing. If you educate them - they change. Herzen wrote: "<...> more responsibility to the minority, which represents the conscious thought of his time." Ordinary people also want to live better, just that they have other sources of information. <...> //The responsibility for the devastation in the minds of lies, including, and mired in narcissism "creative class." Properly noticed.
  Today the educational work necessary to lead and to ordinary people, and with creative, that is creatively active class with intellectuals, priests, and even with the intelligentsia. Now is the time to do "professional development." I can already hear the increasing roar of questions: Why is this the time has come now? What is the peculiarity of our time? Who will teach the higher clergy? And the elite? Her teach or educate? Would the intellectuals become students? What to teach intellectuals? ... To all these questions, I tried to follow the book "The Evolution of Rights" and now hurry means accessible form of an essay to explain the hidden and difficult to perceive the subtleties of concepts.
   I am taking on the role of the teacher? No. I just I bring to the attention of the modern people very firmly forgotten knowledge of our ancestors of the world order. Once upon a time in ancient times, they placed their perception of meaningful properties of the World in alphabet and myths told the meaning of all the elements, that is eons of this system. Knowledge passed down for thousands of years in different languages ​​witty teachable, which became known as the initiates. These chosen few were living in accordance with known secrets of the universe. Hence, the existence of such a characteristic that has given to our experienced Sur: "When a man knows what is true and false, good and evil, justice and injustice, goodness and ugliness, beauty and ugliness, honor and dignity, duty and loyalty, courage and heroism, and a number of other values ​​and their opposites, that is, for him they are not conventional, not relative, but absolute or ontological, that he is an intellectual and a man in the true sense of the word. " I would go with a clear conscience finished the sentence with the words: "it is dedicated to a person or in the proper sense of the word." Conjecture about genetichnosti life sacred knowledge spawned the word "intellectual", which replaced the word "dedicated".
     The nature of the properties of most of the mediocre and the minority of gifted refined perception of the principles of the universe was once symbolized by the names of the brothers Egipt (hypo - low, down to earth) and Danae (data charisma hill). The existence of a dedicated minority at all times depended on neodarennyh most people, that is worthless (without insulting tone of the word). In the ancient Greek epic poem is "begging for mercy."
History can not teach the unteachable - and in the twentieth century, they chased and killed intellectuals. A twenty-first century? "<...> In the" class struggle "in the zoological mixed struggle for survival intellectuals tend to become marginalized - says the guru Posav, - and the intellectuals become officials, the government reined. Wasps kicked out from the hives of bees. " So it was, so it is, so it will be if people do not reveal the true (alphabetical) source of information, if not to drum into their heads that intellectuals know the truth, and point to it. Particularly valuable and extremely dedicated persecuted intellectuals prophets. It's about them Berdyaev wrote: "The Prophet alone, he is in conflict with the collective, religious or social, he was stoned, he is considered an" enemy of the people ", but he is social, he says the word of truth to the people, society, he begins to see the fate of humanity . "
   His statement Sur ended by saying, "Perhaps the real intelligence we do have, but it is very small. But there are many psevdointelligentov. " Apparently, the term "psevdointelligenty" should be understood intellectuals. Without any hope of being understood by users forum I gave my voice to the deciphering key phonemes, "in_tel_l_i_gen_t - indicates the presence of genetic origin; in_tel_lek_t - indicates the presence of the lecturer's ability."
   I meant to tell you about the structure of the alphabet, on the natural principle, which was coded with the letter "L", a myth, a story about the great divine creation ... But! The computer screen is off. Ran out of battery power. The nearest source of power far. Nothing can be done, take out the paper and pencils. The host for the next essay.

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   Who is not familiar with internal discussion of the problem? I say to myself, "now we need to write this and that, this and that." And my inner voice replies: "Perhaps, after all differently?" I paused to weigh the "pros" and "cons." I listen to a course correction. To distinguish himself from his inner voice told him all I write in italics. Very convenient.

- So, we have to clarify the distinction between the intellectual and the intellectual.
- There, in the middle, in both words at the same "intel" the doubling of the letter "L", but the reason for the double "L" different. Here and dig.
- Yeah like, and so everything is on the surface, "Institute" stuck in the English language. It «in» means "something or someone" in this case, "the body". Well, of course, man. In a serious way, the concepts of intelligence and intelligence is only applicable to people. The subconscious mind perceives the "intel" as "in the body."
- Okay, okay. Do not get distracted. Salt in the second "L».
- With the second "L" is also clear. For the intelligentsia, it brings a sense of self, and in the body of an intellectual sense laid phoneme "Lek". It "L" completely lost its own meaning.
- It is necessary to clarify that the focus of word formation like some visible example.
- Yes, as you want! Hydrogen - the gas, oxygen - the gas, and if they join stronger, then pour the water that which has its own properties. And here's a very typical example for not liking chemistry: food salt table salt, is a chemical compound of sodium metal and chlorine gas, if separate them, we again obtain an alkali metal "sodium" and poison gas "chlorine". Thus, the single letter "L" and "R" in the phoneme-sign "Lek" - is, as they say in Odessa, two big differences.
- Here and Now tell me about each. Start with "L" single.
- It's not easy. It's a long story.
- Begin at the beginning.
- Well, for a start - so from the beginning!
   The world is so constituted that each quality and the process is the opposite: an increase - decrease the appearance - the disappearance, leveling - the selectivity of ... Our ancestors, knowing the nature, noticed that every natural feature, which is now called the natural principle, it is. Moreover, it also increases with time, and improved, moving into a different quality.
- Examples. Examples come on!
- Example and natural principles, not so much: the direction of convergence, connection, understanding, knowledge, education.
- Suitable. Go on.
- Well, someone once, infinitely long, codified the fundamental properties of nature and made a table of natural principles, just as later, a table of properties of chemical elements. System-table principles, that is, the princes - the children of God the Father of nature, called the "Alphabet".
- It is necessary to uncover the meaning of the name of this concept.
- The name of the table, means "all consuming fire of life", as contains a forgotten phrase - al (s) F vit. "Vita - Life" is present in such Russian word-concept as "development", "round", "vitamins" ... "F - Fire" stuck in the English language, becoming a fire. About the "Al (s)" is a special subject. I'll be back to him, telling about the letter "L".
- So tell me about the letter "L". Why pull?
- Well, if shorter, the letter "L" denotes the principle of "Election."
- Do not be "shorter". We must make it clear.
- Development of the Life in the properties of the universe came from the inanimate to the vegetation of it - to a variety of animals. Species of living organisms countless, but load the principle of "election", and for the evolution of the Earth was elected persons.
- Yes, God's chosen for the gift of speech. Apparently, Constantine the Philosopher, better known as Cyril knew about it and gave the letter "L" name "people."
- The creator of Cyrillic letters denoting the natural principles, tried by the names of the letters, show the meaning of the principles. We do not know whether concealed philosopher system-table of the Slavs, or they misunderstood the Great Matrix, but to this day the Western alphabet languages ​​is like "rope" instead of a discrete continuity coordinated sites.
- Slavs forgivable. Russian is not excusable.
- What is true is true. For centuries, are the smartest language and alphabet only spoil it, not realizing that impoverish palette understanding. By the way, about the nature of the letter "L" could have guessed the meaning of the concepts of "flattery", "charm".
- Oh, this is from the "is"-containing words? M_est. Ch_est. V_est ...
- The words "flattery" and "charm" felt the estimated allocation of the total mass. Election. Double "ll" refers to the election of the elected: Apo_ll_on, para_ll_el.
- It is necessary to go back to our "intellectuals" and "intellectuals».
- It's simple: to "in_tel_l_" that is elected through "and" added phoneme "gene", which is self-understood word. The letter "t" confirms the correctness of the words. After all, it is called "solid." In general, the word "intellectual" is perceived by the subconscious as "the body of exclusivity and geneity" or "chosen geneity." If the subconscious is not dull.
- logically enough. Let me remind you about the "Al (s)" promised to tell.
- I told him: "a" before the letter or phoneme, which expresses the meaning changes to the other. From school I remember learning primitive: the atom is indivisible, and bookshelves are volumes of collected works. By analogy: "a" before the letter "L" gives the denial chosen, that is, "al (s)" means "not elected" means "everything, everything, everything." The "al" and the English alphabet «all» the same meaning.
- Example persuasive. Change to an "intelligence».
- In the word "intelligence" Nothing brings exclusivity. It has a phoneme "Lek", which is most clearly understood through words, the concept of "doctor", "medicine".
- What does the treatment?
- And with that understanding human ears - this medicine is for someone who need to talk. They say: "tell me - will be easier." When the soul hurts, man prays, that is, their aspirations translates into words.



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 Thus, the word "in_tel_lek_t" is perceived as a subconscious "in the body of Lect (op)." Double "ll" here appears as if by accident.
- In the intellectuals no danaystva?
- No! I would say that is akin to the elite intellectuals.
- This is how is it?
The image originated in ancient times. In the ancient Greek language "Lita (lithos)» - this is a sign on a stone slab inscribed. Hence the word "literature". Elite - pronouncing important speech. Elite can be both good and evil geniuses, and social and asocial. For the elite, as well, and for intellectuals, it is useful to listen to navigate in the likelihood of events.

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   Intentions akin deficiencies. We dodelok advantage over other matters. I went into the apartment in the city and directly to a computer. Click - and I'm in the site «ARTinvestment». Members are passionate about other topics. Due to the lack of fresh controversy of opinions on the intellectuals and intellectuals fades, but the wedge cumbersome texts, such as conversations with his inner voice, is not accepted. But there is a fallback - diaries. However, I am a novice team had not yet mastered the use of a diary, but it's a matter of time. Private messaging will be respected gurus say, "You can look at the pages of my diary. Hopefully, pronouncing the word "intellectual", "intellectual", "elite", we will be easier to understand each other. "

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discuss the problem of coexistence of " Body and Soul "
Coexistence of " Body and Soul " closer than the supposedly separate co-presence of " Body and Soul " in this world.
Brain imaging studies have shown that the ability to use the language /speech depends on the interconnected operation of various brain areas of the flesh. One is responsible for the articulation (the creation of words and sentences ), another - for possession of images of words and phrases , the third - for a sense of the properties of the surrounding circumstances , etc. Organs and areas of the brain , as well as processes related to the tale by informing and showing a lot. And, accordingly, in this way actively genetics affects the ability to express and understand.
It is hoped that over time the biological development and the quality of education will align the concept of " intelligence and intelligence ," and people will get rid of misconceptions .



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In practice, the problem of " Body and Soul " is reduced to the choice of behavioral decisions, including statements with pen and brush.

W A S T L I V I D

Please. My answer the question!
What in your life has brought you my light ?
Does a bowl full of happiness yours?
And if not, what is missing ? What?

There can not be a part of a single whole .
All the happiness of the whole can not save .
Humble yourself and choose from two origins .
Heights of the spirit ? Nutsedge body ? What is your dock ?

Swim in the boat of fate , since the body of the spirit .
There is a time to choose one of the two.
On the blade are the ways of a lifetime !
But then climbs on his brilliance , the dregs !
Catch and I use the light from the mirror of all ,
That glittering diamond of your soul .
Let Way up arrow shines !
All the dregs at the bottom let them lie down !
God bless the aspirant
For the road that others will tell!
                    
                           ***
© Magnolia Dmitrieva .




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problem of " Body and Soul " is reduced to the choice of behavioral decisions
Very useful message appears on bykinist in " Mental health - a political factor ? " a treatise SG Kara- Murza " Manipulation of consciousness ."

http://lib.ru/POLITOLOG/karamurza.txt

This is the reasoning of the author of hermeneutics and the search for hidden meanings .
"A very important meanings hidden in the images (pictures , photos , movies , theater
etc.). Of course, the most effective are the combination of sign systems ,
and in the presence of knowledge and the arts can achieve great synergy
(Cooperative) effect simply by connecting the " languages" .

Very sobering !



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Something like that I also tried to show

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This is the reasoning of the author of hermeneutics and the search for hidden meanings
In the work of Kara- Murza truthful language of thought called " native ." I would call it simply " the earth ." And about what land it "that" or " this " - it's straight into the native alphabet of the question. Now we can say that the system of natural principles , that is to say the alphabet, for all "earthly " language is one, different letter coding.



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