How to unleash the artist

[SergeiSK]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Predlagaiu razdelit 'kollektsionirovanie i investitsii, a to poluchaetsia kak na Forex - ochen' prosto delat 'den'gi, a po-nastoiaschemy vyigryvaiut, v osnovnom, brokery.

Kollektsionirovanie - material'no /finansovo neitral'no.

Tsel 'investirovaniia - poluchenie pribyli.

Kogda eto smeshivaetsia v odin stakan, voznikaet massa problem.

Why share these concepts? Or, in your understanding of the collector - this is slightly shifted to collecting people, spending the last penny for his lust? Yes, and such is. When they die, their family sighed with relief - ended in pain alleviation. But basically collecting is a hobby for people who have income from other sources. And as one character would say - "in order to buy something, have something to sell." And following your logic, the collector can not sell anything, or become a dealer, because a profit. And on that fill up the collection? Suddenly changed the concept of gathering, and just lose one's attraction some things. So they must sell to buy something new. And nothing wrong here. Collectibles can not be neutral. This hobby has always been and is associated with money and buying \ selling.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

And then, for example at this forum, many call themselves collectors, but all of his "collection" is simply banal sell.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Absolutely.
And many of these dealers, psevdokollektsionerov besyat my reminder that I do not collect paintings, and selling.

Do not identify yourself with art dealers and even more collectors. You personally do not get by either of these definitions, so that there is nothing to give other advice or blame them.
About the concept of "art dealer" to read the references, the collection was and never will, but to take to implement and sell other people's things that you are doing - is quite another.

[AlexanderG]

Why share these concepts? Or, in your understanding of the collector - this is slightly shifted to collecting people, spending the last penny for his lust? Yes, and such is. When they die, their family sighed with relief - ended in pain alleviation. But basically collecting is a hobby for people who have income from other sources.

Privedu primer: esli vy pokupaete novuiu BMW, to na vyezde is salona, vy teriaete $ 15 - 30,000. Znachit vy pokupaete etu mashinu is drugih soobrazenii (naprimer, prestiz). Kupiv kartinu v galeree, v 99%sluchaev vy teriaete den'gi. Ochen 'maloe kolichestvo hudoznikov imeiut investitsionnyi potentsial.

Tsel 'pokupki ta ze. Kstati bolee 80%pokupatelei kartin - muzchiny!

Esli vy entusiast avtoliubitel ', to na vosstanovlenie svoei mashiny vy tratite sotni tysiach dollarov, iv sluchae prodazi rashody ne vozmestite (kraine redko).

To ze samoe s nedvizimost'iu - vy mozete vlozit 'v dom $ 2,000,000 v $ 500,000 raione i ne poluchite dohoda nikogda.

Imenno iz etih soobrazenii ia predlozil razdelit 'kollektsionirovanie i investitsii.

[SergeiSK]

Once all very pessimistic ...
As for cars, you're right. And this applies not only to the prestigious brands, but to all, without exception, the modern models. I've been already quoted the words of one Moscow antiquary - "why buy" Bentley "for 300000 dollars when you can buy Aivazovsky." Bentley "eventually rot, and Aivazovsky become more expensive." But basically it's cars bought with a view to move around. Just pockets at all different.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Kupiv kartinu v galeree, v 99%sluchaev vy teriaete den'gi. Ochen 'maloe kolichestvo hudoznikov imeiut investitsionnyi potentsial

Not agree. Interest 50%-60%.
And real estate always has a tendency to increase. Let it not once, but the potential is.

[AlexanderG]

SergeiSK

V teme "Skol'ko hudoznikov v. .." ia privodil nekotorye tsifry.
Povtorius': za poslednie 200 let v Au bylo neskol'ko millionov hudoznikov. Segodniashnie auhtsiony rabotaiut, primerno, s dvumiastami (200) imenami.

Gde ostal'nye?
Ia dumaiu, chto sootvetsvennye tsifry mogut byt 'polucheny i iz drugih stran.

Poetomu, 60%, na moi vzgliad, neskol'ko optimistichno.

Kak illiustratsiia: na vtorichnyh auktsionah mozno kupit 'kartiny korobkami za $ 15 - 50. Tsena novogo holsta 1m X1m ot $ 50 - $ 200.
Mnogie hudozniki tak i postupaiut, peregruntovyvaiut i krasiat.

[Jasmin]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Mnogie hudozniki tak i postupaiut, peregruntovyvaiut i krasiat.

So Picasso did in Paris during the war. I bought canvases of artists, academics, on the cheap and patched. And what else to do with them?

[Seriy]

something conversation digress Topeka ...

Here are familiarized with the history of artists promoted Saatchi, the question arose, the same Peter Doig, before promotion worked for many years, and with huge canvases such as 200x300. And it means something that has existed in financial terms - in fact and studio needs and the cost of materials. T e well and there was no promotion.
Probably, in Russia and the West under the promotion of a know different things?
In Russia - from the half-starved condition to the availability of studios and canvases in sufficient quantities, in the West - from the studio, canvases and well-fed life of up to 10 million per picture.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Seriy

In Russia - from the half-starved condition to the availability of studios and canvases in sufficient quantities, in the West - from the studio, canvases and well-fed life of up to 10 million per picture.

That's for sure ...
: D: D: D

[AlexanderG]

Srednestatisticheskii zarabotok Au hudoznika v 2009 sostavliaet $ 8,500 v god, chto prevysilo tu ze tsifru za 2007 god na $ 1,000.

[Jasmin]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

$ 8,500 v god

It is 700 dollars a month?? For it is not live!: D

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Jasmin

This is $ 700 per month!? For it is not live!

Well, can still be a little sewing brookite ... : D