Ivan Aivazovsky Painting

[Pecheneg]

Сообщение от vadim067; 2848191 "

And it would be interesting to know how did you get those camera angles ( I mean eight photos) The man who photographed them in 2007 has just assured me that you should not predostavlyal.I that he does not know you at all ......?????

Dear vadim067 ... These two works , including pieces of paper were blown out , if my memory serves me on Ukrainian VIOLITI site somewhere with a half years ago and was exhibited at the discussion forum for the attribution of some person to assess for sale, where he swore that it did not work , and the type of friends living in Kiev, who asked him to sell it, because they need the money for expensive surgery .... He then advised to go to this forum artinvestment Where were asked not to tell tearful stories about the plight , expensive operations , and so on. etc. . etc. ... because , as stated in the board , then this is not love .. But then, if I remember correctly , espertiz was not ...
Unfortunately the link to this discussion can not give, it must have already gone to the archive forum.
It was not by accident you ?

[vadim067]

Сообщение от Pecheneg

Dear vadim067 ... These two works , including pieces of paper were blown out , if my memory serves me on Ukrainian VIOLITI site somewhere with a half years ago and was exhibited at the discussion forum for the attribution of some person with to assess for sale, where he swore that it did not work , and the type of friends living in Kiev, who asked him to sell it, because they need the money for expensive surgery .... He then advised to go to this forum artinvestment Where were asked not to tell tearful stories about the plight , expensive operations , and so on. etc. . etc. ... because , as stated in the board , then this is not love .. But then, if I remember correctly , espertiz was not ...
Unfortunately the link to this discussion can not give, it must have already gone to the archive forum.
It was not by accident you ?

I know " kindness" of the Ukrainian people , would never have put an emphasis on the pity .....) ))) I turned to this forum vpervye.Prezhde than what you write here , got acquainted with different themes .... And I could not understand why the other works that exposed the forum, the discussion was going .... and here with such finality was once told that it is bullshit ... On both pictures made ​​chemical analiz.Na one of them made ​​an expert opinion . (By the way , if you said that the event had to be half a year ago , and the examination was not, Mr. Levenko he lent me her title page, dated 22.03.2013 ) and again I repeat , I asked to voice an opinion of competent people , and get a response in response ........... I get nothing .....

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Сообщение от Nicholas Levenko

Not only do you have one , it seems. <! - ~ 1 ~ -> I just can not at the forum lead large numbers of samples of writing with seven original paintings by Aivazovsky . But on the top ten show the difference with the shown you. You are asked to give their opinion , and now express your dissatisfaction with brevity. Maybe later , someone , would vote in your favor .

Can you clarify , you are an art historian by Aivazovsky , or handwriting ? Just read the 10 sevens that you provided as an argument ..... All ten are not the same )))) And why is that you have previously emphasized the red color of the label .... And now, seven is not so ...

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Сообщение от Nicholas Levenko

Not only do you have one , it seems. <! - ~ 1 ~ -> I just can not at the forum lead large numbers of samples of writing with seven original paintings by Aivazovsky . But on the top ten show the difference with the shown you. You are asked to give their opinion , and now express your dissatisfaction with brevity. Maybe later , someone , would vote in your favor .

And anyway, I exhibited a painting photo in 1849 (although personally I have serious doubts that there are 4 and not another number) and you tell me all about telling a 1874 ..... About five papers say , and could motivate Misspellings tsifiri " seven ." .... but it is only one of the five pictures .....? ? ?

[Pecheneg]

Сообщение от vadim067; 2848521 "

knowing the " kindness" of the Ukrainian people , would never have put an emphasis on compassion ..

Well, it's nothing ... You have good people ... angry , right from the troubles and difficulties ....

Сообщение от vadim067; 2848521 "

Mr. Levenko he lent me her title page, dated 22.03.2013

Maybe this list with the expertise and came after discussion papers on the forum , n then i remember it was not ...

[redbor]

Probably of all the above and pokazannnogo can be concluded that signature 100 %n e belongs Aivazovsky ,
 but can not be excluded that the painting itself is written by Ivan Aivazovsky in the last third of the 19th century.
Especially because of featured acts examinations, not disprove authorship Aivazovsky. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
vadim067, there is a picture on your art expertise ?

[vadim067]

Сообщение от redbor

Probably of all the above and pokazannnogo can be concluded that signature 100 %n e belongs Aivazovsky ,
 but can not be excluded that the painting itself is written by Ivan Aivazovsky in the last third of the 19th century.
Especially because of featured acts examinations, not disprove authorship Aivazovsky. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
vadim067, there is a picture on your art expertise ?

According to one of the pictures , as I wrote previously , there are artistic, and chemical examination. According to her, I do not question Mr. voznikaet.Eto Levenko recorded it in the category of work emerged from a workshop of his famous world ... Because the signature red and seven is not so .... Although I note that the chemistry confirms her signature on a " test " .... But on the second , there is only a chemical examination . And I have not yet decided where to make her art history ... In Ukraine, I recommend to turn to Tsitovich as an expert on Aivazovsky ... So, I wonder which of the two pictures you give 100 %conclusion that it is not Aivazovsky's signature ? ?

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Сообщение от Nicholas Levenko

This work occurs in conjunction with the previously shown.

Right.
I, too, they are.

As one shop with a picture.

[vadim067]

Сообщение от Artem

Exactly. I , too, they are.
As with one shop pictures .

They also have you .... <! - ~ 1 ~ -> <! - ~ 1 ~ -> <! - ~ 1 ~ -> I am very glad that you collect photo)) )
And what makes you say that these things are not authentic ? ? The fact that they are photographed next ? ? So it's because they are one person in the collection and not in the artist - copyist ))))

[redbor]

Сообщение от vadim067; 2,848,701.

So, I wonder which of the two pictures you give 100%conclusion that it is not signed by Aivazovsky???

What is there to understand?
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You put up a picture of the subject?
That's about it and say <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

And the conclusion of the forged signature I do not give, it should be shown in your acts.
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[vadim067]

Сообщение от redbor

What is there to understand ? <! - ~ 9 ~ ->
You put up a picture of the subject ? That's about it and say <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
And the conclusion of the forged signature I do not give, it should be shown in your acts. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

presented by me ..... from acts that signature is on top of nail polish ..... but is made with the same ink and in the same time period .... The fact that the signature is not Aivazovsky no words .... for the simple reason that the examination did not establish the authenticity of the signer . And you my dear, are claiming that this signature - poddelka.Na what , I'm sorry , grounds? ?

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от vadim067

I would like to hear from members of the forum on this product.

Why do you it, this opinion?

You also have the expertise on which

Сообщение от vadim067

I question does not arise

 
+ Confidence in the authenticity.