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[Samvel]

Сообщение от qwerty

, at least not so long ago, in company with Evgenia Petrova, agreed that the most likely Filonov - № 1 in Russian paintings could be divided is a place with Kandinsky and Malevich.

Why is constantly unfairly overlooked V. Tatlin.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Konstantin

Do you want to remove your name from the ranking because dissatisfied with their ranking in it?

I do not remember exactly, but like to remove yourself from this list, you need to write a written statement ... I do not think that there is "a bribe" ...
Although I have expressed critical everywhere, I'm good points there, too, saw, or rather a line of work, which can be enhanced and it will be interesting to many. Needless poerechislenie obscure showrooms and provincial museums. But not their ranking, it looks strange, their capabilities do not allow ...
But here's what's behind the names of who and where exposed, etc. It would be interesting. For example, I for some reason it was interesting to discover the museum in Dukhovshchina.
Still, the compilers have done a great job and they can heed the criticism ...
On the basis of what they already have collected can find an interesting aspect to the use of this material ... But those of A and B. ..

[inega]

Сообщение от Art-ort

... And the modern artists of these "letters dreamed"-fate depends ... "Oh B. ...- duck he konyukturschik-ka here would be AAAA-only then would
we would have to ... "and t.d.Zdes few artists, but it would hang a topic ...

Are you serious?

[Ольга Озолина]

Сообщение от fabosch

Can not agree with you. It seems to me many years has been largely will not care who was in hiding and who is in officialdom. remain pure artistic essence. If we want to understand this point, we should ignore the social aspects of ... Of course we are almost impossible to do, so we are so hard ...
After all, it concerns, say the formal and non-conformism and CX 1960-70-ies. It is now important for us - nonconformist or from the Union, because it is part of our lives - we do not slip out of a never

I think that pure artistic essence of society is still (unfortunately!) Does not happen. And belyutintsy and buldozerschiki, and beekeepers and Twenty without a specific social context in the majority perceived totally differently. It is clear that such titans as Rabin or Nemukhin could do without bulldozers, but we perceive them as well - not sure. Yes, and future generations - as they do without the historical facts? How, for example, now take Soroka out his tragic fate? And Viktor Popkov - how?

And then, all the artists in this or that era, despite all the declarations, are oriented to each other (even with a minus sign). And you can not, describing the Rabin era, do not remember Nalbandian "Dialectics, you know

It seems that this dialectic in the EXP is just expressed in A and B. I understand that many of these letters are annoying, but it is the main art criticism score.
Figures - it is known, sales and much more.
But the letter - should be the same once were to stand next to at least several leading art critics and the whole country loudly, in an accessible and applicable to all artists form to declare: Rabin - is Rabin, and Shilov - it Shilov! Berlin - a Berlin, Tsereteli - a Tsereteli!

[fabosch]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

How, for example, now take Soroka out his tragic fate? And Viktor Popkov - how?

Yes, easily. Magpie - a great artist, one of my favorites. Does he would lower the rating if it was a nobleman? If you set rating, focusing on it, sorry ... .
I can understand that the forty could not become a good artist, if not experienced anything that had to endure. And even then, that we still can not know - or maybe vice versa, would do a Russian artist number 1. History fortunately (unfortunately) does not know the subjunctive mood.
All these stories of personal tragedies, with ears cut off to the public need to lure her to give us something to a museum instead of "couch and a box."

[Ольга Озолина]

Сообщение от K-Maler

I do not remember exactly, but like to remove yourself from this list, you need to write a written statement ... I do not think that there is "a bribe" ...

Yes, you need to write an application in person. Do not think of the bureaucracy, but there have been cases when the artists as to settle scores among themselves - have written to us from foreign entities such statements .

In general, we have the entire history of EXP (11 years) was 3 (three), real personal statement (2 painter and a sculptor) on how to no longer be printed in EXP.
 
We have every right not to respond to those statements. I quote what is written on our website under "Questions and Answers:
http://rating.artunion.ru/faq.htm

Question. I am an artist. For various reasons I do not like what my name was mentioned in the "Unified Arts rating. What should I do?

Response. Draw an analogy with any publication in the media: if, for example, the newspaper wants to write about you and assess your creativity, you forbid her to do this is impossible (Federal Law "On Mass Media"). A periodic directory "A single feature ranking" is registered as mass media.

In the regulations written here that:
http://rating.artunion.ru/normativ1.htm

Statements by the deletion of the artist from the Uniform artistic rating, not normally regarded as Rating Center has the right to include artists in the unique artistic rating and assign the rating category in its sole discretion (see paragraph 17). Freedom of rating the center is protected by the Russian Constitution and the laws "On Trade Unions, Their Rights and Guarantees» (№ 10-FZ of 12.01.1996), and "On mass media» (№ 2124-1 from 27.12.1991, the ).

But nonetheless, we are all satisfied with these 3 statements. These artists in EXP is no longer mentioned.

Could, of course, say that "the squad said the loss fighter, but will not, because frankly sympathize with these three. They came in the wake of its own (absolutely not understandable to me) ambitions and lost a very important tool for their "presentation" to the public and to future generations. Whether we like it or not, but our time in art in the future will be evaluated including on exp.
It is unlikely that I'll say on this subject better than A. Cantor:
http://rating.artunion.ru/article11.htm

These ratings are required in every gallery, every museum - everywhere buy and sell works of art. Such ratings exist in the scientific institutes, academies, at art centers. Here they are called the ratings and usually wear a "party" in nature, they are based - the division of artists into "us" and "strangers" to "those" and "other" to "traditional" and "modern." From the perspective of art and its history of this division is meaningless, but it defended furiously and uncompromising zeal, because without it the existence of "centers" is meaningless and indefensible. Hence all the fuss because of the rating.

Meanwhile, it is split on the art of the "party" calls for a common rating, does not know the parties and trends. This suggests a long time, especially because of the schism can not write the history of art, no exposition of how to arrange, nor sell or buy at a reasonable price.

Another reason for the rating: in Moscow, as should not even know the art of St. Petersburg, although the art of Russia as a whole, without St Petersburg was not, there can be. But if the artists of St. Petersburg, evil is, well there, but once known, the art of the Urals, Siberia, Chernozem, North, Volga seemed non-existent, despite the fact that the Russian secondary cities live and work (unfortunately, and die unrecognized), many of the largest master art of today's Russia.

To a large extent it relates to the former Soviet republics. When they became independent powers in the society of these countries to keep the illusion that the new links with Europe, Asia and America will reimburse the broken ties with Moscow and St. Petersburg. These illusions are dissipated very quickly. It soon became clear that the Soviet Union of Artists of each republic to know how his, and loved him like his, were taken to the international exhibitions, but now for any exhibition paying in dollars, which the artist a bit. The new authorities are not rich enough to support the arts, and prefer to blame all their troubles of the former Soviet masters and Russian neighbors. Previously, each interesting product became known vast country, arguing about it, he drove from town to town and abroad. Just as quickly, though through other channels, to disseminate information about the artists, "nonconformist".

Now any artist working without a response. Rating need a huge number of artists is greater than away from the city he lived.

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Сообщение от fabosch

Yes, easily. Magpie - a great artist, one of my favorites. Does he would lower the rating if it was a nobleman? If you set rating, focusing on it, sorry ... .
I can understand that the forty could not become a good artist, if not experienced anything that had to endure. And even then, that we still can not know - or maybe vice versa, would do a Russian artist number 1. History fortunately (unfortunately) does not know the subjunctive mood.
All these stories of personal tragedies, with ears cut off to the public need to lure her to give us something to a museum instead of "couch and a box".

Well, not the aristocratic art of Magpies, however. With this something you agree? Do not want to delve here into questions of philosophy of art, and I'm not strong in them, but it is sure: the perception of works of art out of context, age and personality is impossible. This is the basics of modern art history.
Tear Black Square by Malevich from the context of the era and the personality - so any artist category 5B write such a picture is not worse, yet smoother draw box

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от "Olga Ozolina

Tear" Black Square "by Malevich from the context of the era and the personality - so any artist category 5B write such a picture is not worse, yet smoother and draw a square

Here it is the truth!

[fabosch]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

Well, not the aristocratic art of Magpies, however. With this something you agree? Do not want to delve here into questions of philosophy of art, and I'm not strong in them, but it is sure: the perception of works of art out of context, age and personality is impossible. This is the basics of modern art history.
Tear Black Square by Malevich from the context of the era and the personality - so any artist category 5B write such a picture is not worse, yet smoother draw box

I swear, I do not know what the noble art. For me, and Soroka, and Kiprenskiy and Venetsianov, and Al-P Ivanov, and Fedotov, and Bryullov - above all, great artists, in some higher sense, absolutely equal. Do I need to know their biography and all the attendant circumstances? Art critic and researcher simply necessary. But in the immediate perception of their works, this should not affect. Although, of course, renders, and sometimes gorazdl more than they should ...
With Melevichem same picture is about the same as with Duchamp - a urinal, too, because the non-unique item. Yes, probably some monsieur Murdo could also exhibit a urinal as a work of art (both before and after Duchamp), but it is not random, arbitrary act. It is an act of artistic will specific individual and not every person is on the shoulder ... Therefore, talking about squares, painted by 5c - this is bullshit ...
Now any student can easily collect radio from finished parts, but this does not change the values of open Popova - Marconi

[LCR]

Сообщение от qwerty

Nana, I think you are too harsh in the estimates. I do not really understand how you can compare so ideologically different artists, but I'm sure that many art lovers do not share your point of view, at least not so long ago, in company with Evgenia Petrova, agreed that the most likely Filonov - № 1 in Russian art, may be divided is a place with Kandinsky and Malevich.

Ah, my dear qwerty, how much time we hang out with you here on these virtual seating! You would have been used to sharpen my judgments and do not take them seriously

I must say that ideological differences do not seem to me an insurmountable obstacle to comparing artists: why not compare, for example, Chirico, known for his right-wing, with Leger, pro-Communist sympathies which it is no secret - even if they are both much explained by their Russian wives?

And is it really so different ideologically, these two? The following pictures make me some doubts (notice I quote, maybe not the most characteristic, but not the most disgusting job Filonov - "schizo-proletariat," as well, in my view, describing him a dear friend to me as a visiting our cyber-community)

With due piitetom acquainted with the cited opinions - yours and Zhenya Petrova, to which the attitude with great affection, but its not changed

[Любознательный]

Сообщение от LCR

I must say that ideological differences do not seem to me an insurmountable obstacle to comparing artists: why not compare, for example, Chirico, known for his right-wing, with Leger, pro-Communist sympathies which it is no secret - even if they are both much explained by their Russian wives?

Sorry that I zatseptlsya for a quote of your post, it was the closest ROSTO on the independence of personality and ideology of the artist on an assessment of his work.
According to some, for history is not important - Rotten artist in Stalin's camps or lizoblyudstvoval on the outside.
In this regard, and because of my lack of EXP question:
" What is a Credit Ranking in the 20 th century European artist Shilkgrubera?"