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Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

and a heart that will not order, I like Deineka.

That's especially on themselves conducted experiments: looking at Russian Filonov (in STG look nothing very much at all "peculiar" Filonov hangs a Filonov Filonov) and perebaryvaya fear (Filonov frightens me), tried to enter his painting. There, I learned not choose a heart (as in his time Yeltsin ), namely, the mind must reach. I did not make it, I confess, though I like Filonov, of course, but not my author. But Deineka and THG, and Russian can be treated with a smile.

[Ольга Озолина]

Сообщение от kr555

And you could not say how much we all, in Russia, "world-renowned artists," according to the EXP? This is probably not very difficult to calculate. I'm just curious in this case, but really interesting, it is here in this category, see figure.

By popular demand users EXP 3 considered the highest rating category of Russian art. It is without artists from around the rest of the world that entered the International XP.

1: 44
1A: 36
1B: 21
2A: 223
2B: 156
3A: 773
3B: 801

[Art-ort]

Olga Ozolina, unlike many price Deineka and Filonov (in this issue), I was not interested ... I put the question of whether the artists one of which is in fact died of exhaustion without compromising either in life or in art and head of any other institutions and caressed by awards from the Soviet authorities, may not apply to a category "A". Because if it turns out that "all is one" and such blunders in your Ranking "a dime a dozen." And if we go on contemporary artists, a theme will be "Carcasses Light" ...

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Сообщение от Art-ort; 1324801"

I put the question of whether the artists one of which is in fact died of exhaustion without compromising either in life or in the works and the other head of any institutions, and caressed by awards from the Soviet authorities, can not fall into one category "A".

But is the category of EXP should depend on the living conditions of the author, or the value of its fees (or their absence altogether)?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Did category in the EXP should depend on the living conditions of the author, or the value of its fees (or their absence altogether)?

Living conditions of the author in the Soviet Union directly depends on the degree of compromise in the art, the art of compromise Kirill.A this is what the audience is blown by Dr. letters A and B and is given for objectivity ... delves?

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Сообщение от "Art-ort

delves?

Try, but do not really understand such close attention to these categories in this exp.

I just do not understand what could change in my instance, the perception of painting huozhnikov of these letters next to their names in some lists.

Although I do not know them well.

[Art-ort]

Olga Ozolina, being personally acquainted with many contemporary artists relevant to your rating to the categories of 3V and 5V-I want to inform you that the only difference between them is the fact that 3B "hang out" in the CHA, and 5B, there is no longer "hang out" - (I literally). If tomorrow any of 5c sold at Sotheby's, it is you would 3B-what kind of objectivity about? rabolebstvovanie It's just before World Art mafiiey, is not it?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I try, but do not really understand such close attention to these categories in this exp.
I just do not understand what could change in my instance, the perception of paintings of artists from these letters next to their names in some lists.
Although I do not know them well.

Cyril, but it's you and I, understand it, and people-then-believe ... Do contemporary artists from these "letters dreamed"-fate depends ... "Oh B. ...- duck he konyukturschik-ka here AAAA would be, only then would we would have to ... "and t.d.Zdes few artists, but it would have hung theme ...

[kr555]

Сообщение от Art-ort; 1324871"

Olga Ozolina, being personally acquainted with many contemporary artists relevant to your rating to the categories of 3V and 5V-I want to inform you that the only difference between them is the fact that 3B "hang out" in CHA, and 5B, there is no longer "hang out" - (I figuratively). If any of tomorrow will sell at Sotheby's 5c-on you will be 3B-what kind of objectivity about? rabolebstvovanie It's just before World Art mafiiey, is not it?

Well here is something just everything is logical and relevant statements:
3B - A professional artist, a recognized and popular art market and the public.
5B - formed a professional artist.
Actually, that and the difference that one is already required by the market and the public, and the second is nowhere hanging out and the market has not yet been claimed, but the public is not particularly familiar. Sell at Sotheby's - will be demanded by the market.
What's wrong actually?

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Сообщение от Art-ort

and people-then-believe ...

So what?
People and Putin believes.
Go to the people to "open eyes"?

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Сообщение от Art-ort

Olga Ozolina, unlike many price Deineka and Filonov (in this issue), I was not interested ... I put the question of whether the artists one of which is in fact died of exhaustion is not going to compromise either in life or in the works and the other head of any institutions, and caressed by awards from the Soviet government, unable to relate to one category "A". Because if it turns out that "all is one" and such blunders in your Ranking "a dime a dozen." And if you go to modern art a theme will be "Light Carcasses "...

I can not agree with you. It seems to me many years has been largely will not care who was in hiding and who is in officialdom. remain pure artistic essence. If we want to understand this point, we should ignore the social aspects of ... Of course we are almost impossible to do, so we are so hard ...
After all, it concerns, say the formal and non-conformism and CX 1960-70-ies. It is now important for us - nonconformist or from the Union, because it is part of our lives - we do not slip out of a never

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Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

It is better to remember the "17 Moments of Spring." There, at the talks in Switzerland, General Wolff said that the hidden collection of paintings by some galleries (Dresden? Do not remember exactly), and pragmatic Dulles asked him: "And what may be the price of these paintings?", As Wolff says: "They do not have Prices (firm pause Lanovoy ), they are invaluable ".

In my opinion, they discussed the masterpieces of the Uffizi and Pitti

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

Offers an example: if we imagine the sale of not only Deineki or Filonov of THG, but Glazunov or Shilov from their museums, I have no confidence, who will be more expensive and who is cheaper "And what Compared with the prices of Tsereteli price of Berlin or Frangulyan?

I think that prices Deineka, Filonov, Glazunov, Shilov will be roughly the same. Just the first two will be buying as an investment, and the second - "the soul" ...

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Сообщение от qwerty

Not so long ago in company with Evgenia Petrova, agreed that the most likely Filonov - № 1 in Russian paintings could be divided is a place with Kandinsky and Malevich.

I think it also depends on whether - for whom the artist is number 1 in Russia - for Europe, the U.S., for Russia. For Europe - Malevich, and for Russia - Repin and Shishkin (remember the wonderful project of Komar and Melamid do not remember exactly what it was called, such as "best picture .... the people", where vmestomnogotochiya were different nations)