Russian art market for contemporary art in terms of marketing

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Сообщение от iside

His message is deleted.

But it is in vain, I think, interesting topic trolls always appear with their debility "Messaging" and nowhere on it does not get.

[iosif]

iside, I also think that in vain.
Any experience is interesting and useful.
Well, that different opinions - so is democracy.
Although many banal civility would not hurt.

[iside]

Cyril Syzransky, iosif, tell me , please , what's the benefit to keep the trolls in the forum?

Сообщение от iosif; 2938641"

and that different opinions - so it's a democracy

different opinions is useful for debate, but trolls do not express opinions , they lrugaya purpose , and the meaning of democracy is not to sit in a crap place.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 2938631"

But it is in vain , I think

Сообщение от iosif; 2938641"

I also think that nothing

Sorry gentlemen, but after years of study, work and tons of books read - purity my environment , it's not a whim , as a matter of principle .

[Jasmin]

Сообщение от iside; 2938511"

His message is deleted . Good luck !

I , as seen late , iside, and would like to read your posts too.
They are informative , and always the case. It is evident that you are a human thinking and want to get to the bottom " to the bottom ."
Keep writing , and that absolutely no one will read the forum. More on abstractionism not forget to Thread Art-lover. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[манна]

Сообщение от NATA NOVA

still want to add about amateurism :
The main difference of which is the inability to defend his point of view without chauvinism. (ie, without belittling themselves - different methods - opponent )
Professionalism to bring it ( point of view) to the opponent without losing respect for him . (And if you do not respect a priori , it is amateurism )
Summary:
to discuss with those who do not respect and have amateurism !

some preachy mess .... <! - ~ 3 ~ ->

Сообщение от iside; 2938511"

Your messages removed .

Sorry.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от manna ; 2939261"

kind of preachy mess ....

Acted , however, "mess " :

Сообщение от iside; 2938511"

His message is deleted .

Although nothing ( think so, too ) ... because the primary material was all ( unique ) " professional " features ..

 

Сообщение от iosif; 2938641"

Although many banal politeness would not be prevented .

The key phrase , however .. (Thanks , Joseph )

Сообщение от iside; 2938701"

purity of my environment , this is not a whim , as a matter of principle .

That's it! ( " Similarly, " (c )

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Сообщение от iside

Sorry gentlemen, but after years of study, work and tons of books read-purity my environment, it's not a whim, as a matter of principle.

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Well you will just really really miss!

[Slaw]

Сообщение от Peter; 2937491"

Carpets . , Carpets hung on the walls .. it was fashionable .

When carpets are off the wall some room . Less steel to hang wallpaper . A long time in the apartments appeared drywall, plaster and paint to become intererov.Vzglyad stay on an empty wall. Changed dramatically stil.Moda.Mebel was another . Landlords were thinking , interested in painting, photography , graphics, what else. Compare his paintings with pictures of friends and znakomyh.Tak everything is slowly changing . Konechno.No process goes slowly . <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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question:

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Yeah, Russian , so here it is -
as I understand it , refers to the Russian contemporary art market .
Question .. : and we have where the market for contemporary art is?
Where operate successfully understand the essence of marketing processes and control algorithms ? Where , tell me? Poke your finger or at least show the direction of the hand - "out there ".
And then I have the impression that the contemporary art market operators traded somewhere or in a parallel world , or possess more skills and conspiracy. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

The long answer :

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Do you think that the potential purchasers of works of art is not enough information and if this information will be more and more will buy ?

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Normal artist just to talk to you will not: deeds of sale of his works has been or gallery , or his agent

Ask themselves hard questions and do them confidently answer <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

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Сообщение от Mikhalych

Modern buying . And I'm including . And others know who is buying . And not one .
Just buy modern ones who understand that this is the segment where neraskruchenny can ( and eventually will love and will ) shoot the most .
Purchased by those who can not invest a year or two or five , and 10-15-20 . Although more often bounces vystrelivaya )))

You belong to the category of the great collectors who buy not like that , and more , that " bounces vystrelivaya ) ) .) There are other categories ..
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Сообщение от Jasmin

Sergey burly, I can cite another case , no less funny. Also from useful tips. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

To one gallery owner , which were the work of Van Gogh , a man came and asked him for advice , what picture of contemporary artists buy to leave a good legacy grandchildren and properly invest . However, his gaze focused on the " Red Vineyard at Arles " . Gallerist followed the direction of his gaze and said - yes, the right choice is very good work . And who is the artist ? - Asked the potential buyer - It is not known , and an unusual style . No, buy Single something more traditional. And he bought a classic watercolors known at the time of the author. For the same money . And he was very happy with my purchase . <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
20 years have passed . To host galleries son of a buyer comes and brings that same work , and asks for help to sell it , because the family is impoverished and very much in need . Gallerist remembered all the circumstances the purchase of twenty years ago , and said :
- Does your father was able to buy Red Vineyard Van Gogh , for the same money , which he bought for this academic watercolor . Now the work of Van Gogh hanging in a museum , I paid for it a huge amount . And the fact that you brought , I will not attempt to sell even half the price than the one in which your father bought it .

I do not know what the moral of the story . <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Sorry son, but the moral is simple - Viae Domini imperceptae sunt!.

[iside]

Сообщение от Jasmin; 2938851 "

I , as seen late , iside, and would like to read your posts too.
They are informative , and always the case. It is evident that you are a human thinking and want to get to the bottom " to the bottom ."
Keep writing , and that absolutely no one will read the forum. More on abstractionism not forget to Thread Art-lover.

Thanks Jasmin, should not be sorry about the messages , nothing of value was not there, so thought ...
But what about without dokopyvatsya to the bottom ? <! - ~ 1 ~ -> The more you dig , the more and more interesting it becomes .
Yes , you're right , Art-lovera, must periodically return to the forum to lit up the darkness like a ray of sunshine , but I do not think that he will continue to approve such violent ways , and I have come up with other not yet obtained. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[Artoil-A]

Сообщение от iside

Cyril Syzransky, iosif, tell me , please , what's the benefit to keep the trolls in the forum?

Trolls on the forums . think are implementing virtual totalitarian sect . The first exercise for their own purposes , selection of people handling. And even if you do not take into account their business interests , they like to be alpha - male ( female ) . That suppression system of another human intelligence allows trolls , in their opinion , passable look at the discussions.
  In my memory, troll , one vendor fur coats , played the role of critic . To do this, she took lessons ownership terminology on another site at the old painter . Its purpose was commercial - she wanted to recruit artists with a forum where they were introduced , and sell their paintings .
On another forum troll (general designer ) with a support group , posing as a restorer. Mercilessly entertaining forumshan lengthy kopipasta . In the end, he and his colleagues have brought down site - sacrifice. This troll later expelled from several sites .