How to unleash the artist (paper)

[Jasmin]

Сообщение от eva777

Jasmin,
The fact that the administrator has deleted it probably from the "conversations" with
NATA NOVA,?

Yes, there ...

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Grigory

If you want to write about the city .. no, it's on other forums!

Have to write-"shit" and everything will be OK. Here is a favorite by many word and theme. But one participant, so that just about it and just wrote. It started with this topic:
«Artist's shit" from the Tar Catherine, so everything about "shit" and writes.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Vivien

NATA NOVA, this is the style of communication on this site - and your right to accept or not accept, but not be able to remake

I DO NOT ACCEPT YOUR STYLE! (And you with MRC!) **-refers not to a person's site, all of which can not rest, up to three hours of kolbasilo ...

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Here is what I received at 13.33:

Mentally not very well

(author unknown)
Well, as it is called?
Calm yourself! Relax! ( "mental health" supposedly)

[babochka]

something like "opposite" Paul
please, stop swearing, because such an interesting topic!: shy:

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от babochka

something like "opposite" Paul
please, stop swearing, because such an interesting topic!: shy:

Yeah scolded long!
I call it "Baptism" (This is where the "grandfathers" newcomers gouge popervosti, as I understood)
The main theater is not found, apparently ... (disinfection already)

And for the "antithesis" thanks! "(I understand," opposite Paul "is the king of style" stebizm-rugachizm?).

[адамович]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Kogda ustaiosh 'rabotat' s zivymi hudoznikami, ih mozno

Something does not make out that they have to do when you get tired working with living ...?

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Сообщение от AlexanderG

Seichas auktsiony nachinaiut sopernichestvo s galereiami. Oni nachinaiut vystupat 'v roli expertov i pytaiutsia raskruchivat' svoih hudoznikov.

Yes, this is an actual problem galleries of contemporary art. Even the gallery owner of the revolution, once complained to the press at the auctions, saying they Erythroculter, sell "raw" art, in contrast to the distinguished art galleries, over the years creating and untwisting the names of their artists. Of course, you can sympathize with the "unfortunate" and "offended" gallery, but in fact, as you can call those who for years blocked all the moves and even a loophole for other artists promoting their only - brake. Incidentally, a policy which galleries and possibly led to the current situation in the contemporary art market, where the pricing is on a very strange criteria, often have neither a relationship to the visual arts. Certainly their activities are also an art, but some other art.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Veronic

Paul, you would like to" sponsors and other well-wishers-robbers "serves the artist's free? That is, invested money, time, and yes even tried to persuade the artist's work if he has depression during this period?
Interestingly, someone has come across such people?

Paul though sharply expressed, but the fact that he probably knows the specific history that can not tell without naming names. I draw your attention to this because I know these stories, too, and also can not tell them. As combined (under different promises, exhibitions, etc.) pictures, for example, over the years are someone without traffic ... And artists are not accustomed to sue ... In fact, they are successful galleries or collectors that are just as decent people around, whether it concerns his personal life or business ... Because much is being done by "honest merchant" and usually is about all we know, who comes as ...

[Сергей Дородный]

On the topic of the section.
My opinion is.

Unleash the artist in contemporary Russia is impossible.
Or almost impossible.

To start here are a few examples of "promotion".
1. In the summer of the exhibition "Young Artists" (can not remember the name).
   According to polls conducted among the participants (it was a topic on the forum)
   they overwhelmingly do not know the artist Kulik.
   Can I assume that it promoted?
 2. Several. years ago I was in one of the corresponding group in the contact is created theme
   "I suggest to get acquainted with the work of Katya Medvedeva.
   Of the 15,000 members of the "art is long" only 2 people, judging from the comments,
   knew about this artist, one of the two spoke highly unflattering.
   Is this promotion?
3. Prices for "Vladimirtsev" quite confident kept at 2-3 so on. (Except Britova).
   Well, that really still need to unwind? It's well-established phenomenon
    flawless craftsmanship, beauty - clear, audience interest is.
   And do not untwist. And the prices for Britova good. Because overseas they know.
   Here are examples of such promotion.

Why is this happening?
(Write only with the market position, although, of course, there are social, professional, etc.)

1. It is clear that the market is immature.
It (the market) should be fertilized and mature. "
But market participants are doing the opposite (next paragraphs).

2. «Togruyuschee art" community does not accept the consolidated efforts
development of this market.
Where at least 1 transfer to the "culture"? On the radio?

3. Loose seeds market is constantly fragmented (in order to preserve "their" buyer).
From this buyers sovriska can be very poorly informed about the market
shestedesyatnikov, and vice versa.
One quality of the exhibition Kulik, along with "Vladimirtsev"
(Well it figuratively, there need all the cuts) would give the market a lot. But just need to CHA
 the eyeballs, and attendance to ensure that both the Cherkizovsky market.
Because of all the recent knowledge of life: success - it is often only visible
 Success.
The market must first be merged, and then allocate it "niche" by mythologizing.
And we have the concept of "niche market" is not interpreted literally, a "subject", for example -
 "Winery - is MINK contemporary art."
4. Range, which holds the "contemporary art" from the other segments to work
 against them. Because much of the collectors, for example,
does not ripen until the modern because of the fact that it can not
emotionally to go through this intentionally lengthened the distance.

5. «naval" relationship between "aktualschikami and
"Traditionalists" in any case, works against the brands in these segments.
       For example, if someone from the traditionalists think so: "Yes, this Stalinist
 academic value, even people from the Art Moscow! "It would be a bad thing? If only the price rose.
And with the current situation only doubts are growing. (Should I buy the Stalinist
academics, if such a number of market participants to reject?)

In general, proletarians and burzhuiny All Mixed media-unite!
Market capacity in Russia (Moscow only one) is huge!
Indeed, almost every (new) apartment has at least one oil painting!
You just have to beat off the market "oil" from the underground and the transition of trade, and this will be the Klondike.
(By the way, I think that if the share of trade has remained vernisazhnoy only graphics, it
they would benefit. And then they have to sell oil at low prices, focusing on
"Unqualified" in demand, and from this price schedule falls below the bottom. And if an ordinary
the buyer knew that the oil for it is almost inaccessible, and price schedules would be more fair)



P /S It was very messy, to apologize, pliz.

[artcol]

Сообщение от Sergei burly, 1359231

On the subject of the section.
My opinion is.

Unleash the artist in contemporary Russia is impossible.
Or almost impossible.

To start here are a few examples of "promotion".
1. In the summer of the exhibition "Young Artists" (can not remember the name).
   According to polls conducted among the participants (it was a topic on the forum)
   they overwhelmingly do not know the artist Kulik.
   Can I assume that it promoted?
 2. Several. years ago I was in one of the corresponding group in the contact is created theme
   "I suggest to get acquainted with the work of Katya Medvedeva.
   Of the 15,000 members of the "art is long" only 2 people, judging from the comments,
   knew about this artist, one of the two spoke highly unflattering.
   Is this promotion?
3. Prices for "Vladimirtsev" quite confident kept at 2-3 so on. (Except Britova).
   Well, that really still need to unwind? It's well-established phenomenon
    flawless craftsmanship, beauty - clear, audience interest is.
   And do not untwist. And the prices for Britova good. Because overseas they know.
   Here are examples of such promotion.

Why is this happening?
(Write only with the market position, although, of course, there are social, professional, etc.)

1. It is clear that the market is immature.
It (the market) should be fertilized and mature. "
But market participants are doing the opposite (next paragraphs).

2. «Togruyuschee art" community does not accept the consolidated efforts
development of this market.
Where at least 1 transfer to the "culture"? On the radio?

3. Loose seeds market is constantly fragmented (in order to preserve "their" buyer).
From this buyers sovriska can be very poorly informed about the market
shestedesyatnikov, and vice versa.
One quality of the exhibition Kulik, along with "Vladimirtsev"
(Well it figuratively, there need all the cuts) would give the market a lot. But just need to CHA
 the eyeballs, and attendance to ensure that both the Cherkizovsky market.
Because of all the recent knowledge of life: success - it is often only visible
 Success.
The market must first be merged, and then allocate it "niche" by mythologizing.
And we have the concept of "niche market" is not interpreted literally, a "subject", for example -
 "Winery - is MINK contemporary art."
4. Range, which holds the "contemporary art" from the other segments to work
 against them. Because much of the collectors, for example,
does not ripen until the modern because of the fact that it can not
emotionally to go through this intentionally lengthened the distance.

5. «naval" relationship between "aktualschikami"
"Traditionalists" in any case, works against the brands in these segments.
       For example, if someone from the traditionalists think so: "Yes, this Stalinist
 academic value, even people from the Art Moscow! "It would be a bad thing? If only the price rose.
And with the current situation only doubts are growing. (Should I buy the Stalinist
academics, if such a number of market participants to reject?)

In general, proletarians and burzhuiny All Mixed media-unite!
Market capacity in Russia (Moscow only one) is huge!
Indeed, almost every (new) apartment has at least one oil painting!
You just have to beat off the market "oil" from the underground and the transition of trade, and this will be the Klondike.
(By the way, I think that if the share of trade has remained vernisazhnoy only graphics, it
they would benefit. And then they have to sell oil at low prices, focusing on
"Unqualified" in demand, and from this price schedule falls below the bottom. And if an ordinary
the buyer knew that the oil for it is almost inaccessible, and price schedules would be more fair)



P /S It was very messy, to apologize, pliz.

How much do you think should not cost the old paper (landscape), middle-aged professional artist on the "mature" the Russian market in oil on canvas 60x80? Estimated. Can you answer this question?

[Сергей Дородный]

Well, I think the price should be about the average monthly income of employed people in the region.
And for the "young" artist - a little below the level
for "elderly" - above this level.
Somehow I think that is true it would be if the price reaches this level at the time of reaching an artist and professor of human maturity (because at this point his work is just as (abstract) securities, as well as work "average" citizen).

Has recently been with me such a case.
I bought a guitar string for a music teacher. And in front of me for the strings came a man of about 60. Turned out to be - an artist. Teacher showed me his album (High-quality book) - a strong pro. Well wrote something not very interesting to me - the kings, magistrates, etc., but by trade with no complaints. And the teacher said to me - that is, they say, the artist, book publishing their own, but for the strings 2 months money could not pay.
 That's honest, my hands went down.

Price for Moscow (minimally fair)
-For the artist over 50 years-1500-1600doll.
-For the artist to 35 (already established) - 800-1000 USD
, For 35-50 years -1,200 -1,400 U.S.

Pictures Yukina (80x60), Britova, Starzhenetskaya, Konyshev - must be confident $ 20 000
Then it will be clear on that attain to the level and you can imagine their own professional future, comparing its capabilities with the best in the shop.