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[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Samvel

I do not quite understand her care, because of some resentment, almost frivolous, in our forum this happened, but almost all of stroyu.Forum this is very good, and go not recommend get what you give up, who would not answer questions arising? Whether we like it or not there is EXP, and it is used.

Likely that all of the compilers of this rating was revered to this discussion and decided to stop it, so as not to cause even more serious and evidence-based criticism. All were quite diplomatically, but Paul, who people marked this whole thing for artistically ... Not diplomatically, but it became clear as the artists themselves about this.
Reproached him that he might be dissatisfied with the place that took him there. But he is right in the sense that it is just incomprehensible ranking underwent exactly the bulk of artists, professionals, such as seeing themselves in the overall process with a certain reputation in some circles. Suddenly, they see themselves filled in "not there" (not above-below) in principle. For example, I know one group of students last one now known professors, who followed the same views on the subject. In the ranking, they were in different categories, only because of ignorance about the compilers and the lack of it is a professional approach to the issue.

[SergeiSK]

This book (EXP), it is more accurately called the List of artists, but not rated.
I have it and use it as a list, not paying attention to the rating, but only the name and the years of the artist's life.

[Ольга Озолина]

Сообщение от Grigory

Dear Olga! At the forum there is no clock duty managers! We have the right to rest on weekends, or not? And the conclusions you have made hasty ...

Have, have the right "And yet I have no right to put the honor and dignity of many thousands of artists in reliance on incontinence in the language of one or two.
So please understand me correctly. IMHO, in these subjects, which is sharp debate should be, if not around the clock, then at least daily presence of one of the moderators. However, I do not give such advice, administrative and modernization clearer

Сообщение от K-Maler

It is likely that all of the compilers of this rating was revered to this discussion and decided to stop it, so as not to cause even more serious and evidence-based criticism. All were quite diplomatically, but Paul, who people marked this whole thing for artistically ... Not diplomatically, but it became clear as the artists themselves about this.
Reproached him that he might be dissatisfied with the place that took him there. But he is right in the sense that it is just incomprehensible ranking underwent exactly the bulk of artists, professionals, such as seeing themselves in the overall process with a certain reputation in some circles. Suddenly, they see themselves filled in "not there" (not above-below) in principle. For example, I know one group of students last one now known professors, who followed the same views on the subject. In the ranking, they were in different categories, only because of ignorance about the compilers and the lack of it is a professional approach to the issue.

Once at the dawn of existence EXP against us was written a long open letter, signed by the president of Arts Tsereteli, chairman of CXP Sidorov, chairman of USDA Bubnov, chairman of AIS Morozov, director of the GII Komech we be afraid of criticism?

And negative attitudes towards EXP several artists on this forum does not necessarily mean negative attitudes of most if not artists, or at least members of the PSC would have long ago re-elected to his post as chairman ZAGRAEVSKY

The trouble of this discussion in another. In the unfounded and abundance of common words. Group studied with professor and ended up in different categories? And you can name? Learning something - not a determining factor in ratings of! We have "belyutintsy" in various categories, for example. Write down the names and see if everything should be in one category - fix it! Contact Us - it's very important that we have in each issue EXP Please send comments and additions!

Need constructive! And in a destructive, that someone allegedly bought EXP for 800 rubles. (I wonder where these prices?) And angrily tore up or used in a certain place, you can practice as much as necessary. Maybe someone even made a ritual burning of EXP (than not performance "), and the caravan is still going.

So I, unfortunately, did not see that here, for what came

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

We have a" belyutintsy "in various categories, for example. H

That's not right. And the names can cause: all know each other ...
And this should be called Rating Rating ZAGRAEVSKY, and not a single rating (this claim is unfounded). Moreover, that "copyright in the concept has SV Zagraevsky" (quote from the "standard" 5 issue).
Generally, the rights to ideas and concepts are not copyrighted ...

[fabosch]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

I think it would be helpful if I will participate in the forum and to the best of their abilities and rights (very limited), executive secretary of the Rating center of trade unions of artists will answer your questions.
Surely you have and suggestions on the ratings of artists. I undertake to transmit to destination in the rating area with necessary comments.

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

So I, unfortunately, did not see that here, for what came

As so, in my opinion, you totally got and questions and suggestions
And I still have unanswered questions. Reproduce them again.
1. Have you discussed the possibility of official distribution exp in electronic version. It's quite modern mechanism demanded pay information dissemination. For example, on artinvestment so there is a database of sales.
Moreover, because it is clear that the future belonged to such a channel, not the paper, because the greater the amount of information, so inconvenient paper.
2. Is there anything in your official access basic statistical data on the distribution of artists by category, even if generalized (category 1A - 300 artists, 1B - 200, 2A - 2000, etc.), I am not talking about lists, grouped not alphabetically and by category (it actually is your commercial know-how that protects you as the apple of an eye).

[Fed]

Сообщение от Olga Ozolina

I have no right to put the honor and dignity of many thousands of artists in reliance on incontinence in the language of one or two.

I have not figured out how to honor and dignity of thousands? "artists depend on the attitude of professional people to the rating. If we are talking about your "union", he even does not collect contributions and linking artists to it is only in principle, "send your vystovok catalogs, photographs of works ,..." we have you in the ranking introduced. Ie whole procedure is aimed at obtaining materials for the ranking. Artists and send to somehow light up later.

The attitude of someone to a "union" of either heat or cold. Sent materials and forgotten. One target for promotion more. And an extra piece of paper on the country's membership in the paper can not hurt.
  But the organizers of the "network" is a base that you can show your state authorities, "for us thousands of artists." We-Hoo! Well done, worthy of the organizers.
But we are not government bodies, why should we raise the status of the representation of employees.

P.S. But thank you - about the "honor" of fun. As presented, as "intemperate" language Pavla threatens the honor of thousands of artists ... Oh and the monster he.

[Самвел]

In 15 issue nebylo artist Movses Movsesovich Baghramyan 1920 - 1980. http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...BC%D1%8F%D0%BD. and the second still alive Shahramanyan Vahan G. 1968 http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...BD, look, pass can they will make to the list. 1Armyansky Yard 1954 Movses Baghramyan 2 Sevan 2009 Vahan Shahramanyan http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=70901

[Konstantin]

Сообщение от Pavel

I recently phoned ZAGRAEVSKY and demanded I remove my name, because he believed that the position of P may depend on the whim of the compiler and the fee for a seat.

Let us clearly, and then in the welter of difficult to understand the meaning.
- Do you want to remove your name from the ranking because dissatisfied with their ranking in it?
- To raise the rating to be paid? You suggest?
If this is true (rating fee) then surely this must know someone else from the artists, one vote (even yours) is not enough to make sure that it is.
- If somewhere an article about your work and it has many critics, what are you doing? Need not to print? We put the question more broadly: - can someone assess the level of the artist in general, do you.

[Любознательный]

Pavel,
I got the impression that you did not understand what is at stake.
It's not about EXP and not against him or ZAGRAEVSKY.
You Naham.
Naham woman.
I know you fairly superficial, but I think you are sincere and decent person.
I believe that you as an honest man, must apologize to Olga Ozolina you have admitted for the harshness of expressions.
I believe that indirect apology to some participants in the forum are clearly insufficient.
The fact that in conditions of "bullying" forum, each of us (being so-called "newcomer") has received its portion of rudeness, not in any way excuse.
I urge you to think about their reputation and the reputation of the forum.
And make a decision.

[Ольга Озолина]

Сообщение от Pavel

That's you in vain.
 Relative rankings, the fact that I was looking for opportunities vozmupitsya brusque and even rudeness with which behaves Zagraevsky. I accidentally saw his name in this thing, which I watched with his appearance, when he had to pay to get into it. Recently, I called ZAGRAEVSKY and demanded I remove my name, because he believed that the position of P may depend on the whim of the compiler and the fees for the place. I was denied in a rather boorish way.

It's all a lie. Did you know your mobile or home phone ZAGRAEVSKY that we were able to speak with him directly? And he will refuse, even in the boorish tone? Know <!--~ measure 11 ~ ->

About the "fee per seat" I said. If you were someone extorting bribes, where your application to the competent authorities with specific circumstances, date and place of extortion? Please at least scan (copy with a note Interior Ministry or the Public Prosecutor for admission) and submit your forum users.

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Сообщение от Samvel

In the 15 edition nebylo artist Movses Movsesovich Baghramyan 1920 - 1980. http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...BC%D1%8F%D0%BD. and the second still alive Shahramanyan Vahan G. 1968 http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...BD, look, passcan they will make to the list. 1Armyansky Yard 1954 Movses Baghramyan 2 Sevan 2009 Vahan Shahramanyan

Thank you, all us be!