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[dedulya37]

vasya85,

I would recommend you first search of the survivors of former employees of the museum and they know if you remember, as was the case.
The museum could not "accept the gift of" painting from a private individual in the Soviet era. I know this from personal experience with a painting by JS Kopina.
The museum was obliged to buy them at least for some money that had been reporting in spending the money. Money from the Ministry and spend it on some of the museum workers without a command from above could not.
Therefore, they could buy a piece of work for a very low price, and the second part enter in the books as a "gift".
In any case, as mentioned above, the museum must remain some papers.
You must be "on-quiet" to meet with the chief curator and ask whether there are any documents on these pictures.
However, in turbulent times adjustment all the papers (or part thereof) could be eradicated in order to work have been orphaned - they were then easier to steal.
In general, this issue must be approached with extreme caution, "intelligence" and then act according to circumstances.
I would have advised to "find" witnesses, friends of parents who would have confirmed that the paintings were put on deposit.

[Art-ort]

... And imagine how the whole country rodstvenichki, grandchildren and great-grandchildren to museums rush to pick up the work of their ancestors ... the half-empty museum, littered with the work of the judge It all began with "good advice" on this forum

[dedulya37]

Art-ort,

I think that parents vasya85 acted improperly in relation to the creativity of the artist.

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от dedulya37

In any case, as mentioned above, the museum must remain some papers.

Inheritance. Your parents were heirs to the "first stage", ie they could dispose of the inheritance and ordered to convey this to the museum. Ie paintings became the property of the museum, which the grandchildren can not claim. Witnesses confirm this transfer only. Paper is likely to have. Design "on deposit" could change the case, but it probably was not ...

[gorelov]

vasya85, there is such a forum "Intelligence and law" - a forum of legal aid "You try to ask your question there.

www.intellect-law.ru

[vasya85]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

OK, let's say that the museum is not markets.
And you have them? You can prove that they belong to you? Can challenge the right of ownership to them?

Why I suddenly remembered the legacy of deda.Nachitalsya the Internet (especially in recent years many such reports) that the West's heirs works of art on the case and no case sue the request for the return of the paintings belonging to predkam.I not shy about this . I am well aware give the country in which I live and with whom I want pobodatsya.Vse did try to look like the chain of command and sudam.Pozzhe share your impressions.

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Сообщение от dedulya37

Art-ort,

I think that parents vasya85 acted improperly in relation to the creativity of the artist.

Time was that!

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Сообщение от dedulya37

vasya85,

I would recommend you first search of the survivors of former employees of the museum and they know if you remember, as was the case.
The museum could not "accept the gift of" painting from a private individual in the Soviet era. I know this from personal experience with a painting by JS Kopina.
The museum was obliged to buy them at least for some money that had been reporting in spending the money. Money from the Ministry and spend it on some of the museum workers without a command from above could not.
Therefore, they could buy a piece of work for a very low price, and the second part enter in the books as a "gift".
In any case, as mentioned above, the museum must remain some papers.
You must be "on-quiet" to meet with the chief curator and ask whether there are any documents on these pictures.
However, in turbulent times adjustment all the papers (or part thereof) could be eradicated in order to work have been orphaned - they were then easier to steal.
In general, this issue must be approached with extreme caution, "intelligence" and then act according to circumstances.
I would have advised to "find" witnesses, friends of parents who would have confirmed that the paintings were put "on deposit".

I think you tell the surest way in which I have already tried dvinutsya.On applies, perhaps, only in our environment and our people.
      Thank you! Later necessarily informed that this happened.

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Сообщение от Art-ort

... And imagine how the whole country rodstvenichki, grandchildren and great-grandchildren to museums rush to pick up the work of their ancestors ... the half-empty museum, littered with the work of the judge It all began with "good advice" this forum

"So ...... note, sir, my furniture!" ( "The Twelve Chairs")
      In the museum is located 1.2 work, and tens to hundreds of papers piled (not stored) in zapasnike.Za 33 years there were no exhibitions, no one publikatsii.Dazhe to the 100 anniversary of his grandfather did not have anything! "And you blame me for it! here you are wrong.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от vasya85

Here you are wrong.

Agree.
There are museums that do not work and do not want to work. Museums, warehouses, and with grim warehouse.

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от dedulya37

I would suggest that first search of the survivors of former employees of the museum and they know if you remember how it happened.

From the perspective of a lawyer:

1) The Council correct - must begin with intelligence.

2) Search for the transfer of witnesses on your side.

3) To give his aphorism, which is fully relevant to the legal issues: "The worse the better." As well as the American proverb "The law that was posted. You can not jump, but easily bypassed.
Why? I think that to achieve the desired straight path will be very difficult and expensive. And almost impossible for the expiration of limitation period. But opyny lawyer will not waste time and money the client, and try to solve the problem completely on the other hand, even without a trial.
How so? Here it is:

4) is an approximate inventory of works at the time of delivery, we find out (with documentary podzhtverzhdeniem), which when sold at auctions and in galleries.

5) and acting on the principle of the great schemer. We take the file with these documents and go to the reception to the director of the museum. Bad if it has a new director, which has no relation to the theft earlier. In private conversation, and explained our suspicions and fears about the loss of pictures. Placed under the painting is perfect, at first glance, a harmless statement to identify the location of the transferred pictures and their current status. Please provide insight into the legacy of his grandfather. Large direct legal benefit of this statement does not really matter, but until we act solely on the nerves. But not necessarily in daddy be legally proven facts - not the court until we go! By law, the museum has a certain period (up to a month) for a written response to the statement on the merits.

6) inform the main thing - their desire to return at least part of the heritage. The fact is that if the museum chaos and paintings are stolen, then just as easily, they can not sell, but "present" pictures, not to develop an unpleasant situation for himself more.

7) museum workers do not understand, I am sure you are completely right and want to "blood"? And ready to act? Getting the prosecution of the museum from all sides. A complaint to the prosecutor's office on the inspection of the content of pictures, a complaint to the police about the fact of theft - it is very tough and relatively hard to move. Although it is possible to do this with absolutely no money and dating. The truth may have to use the complaint to higher authorities - the Interior Ministry and Prosecutor's Office of Russia. It really helps to speed up the good work of the lower structures.

8) Pressure simpler: Rospotrebnadzorr will find a violation in the sale of tickets or booklets, Fire, too, not just the bread is, well, etc.

9) If you thrive in a museum theft, then sooner or later the director considers proper for himself to resolve the issue with you the world. Let completely legal.

Summary:
this technique can be applied only in a few cases:
You sovershennno sure they are right, and the museum is theft.
Are you ready to spend their time, perhaps a year or two, the correspondence with the authorities.

PS

In my personal experience, these simple pre-trial measures allow to solve the problem very easily in 50%of cases. Another 30-40%require a long time.
I am thus forced to pay these crooks from the tourist industry (if they are not fools).
And most importantly - if your assumptions are wrong, and museum workers are clean, then you risk yourself to be in an awkward legal position. Weigh all is well before the act.

[vasya85]

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

and operate on the principle of the great schemer. We take the file with these documents and go to the reception to the director of the museum

In this case, I think I'll go this way. This way close to me! Many thanks for the detailed guide to action. It is really useful!

[K-Maler]

Сообщение от vasya85

this case, I think I'll go this way. This way close to me! Many thanks for the detailed guide to action. It is really useful

Again on the rights of heirs. Understand, at the time the paintings in the museum heirs t.e.sobstvennikami paintings were just your parents. Grandchildren heirs are not. They are the heirs of the so-called "second stage", ie if your parents could not accept the inheritance, by reason of death or disability (mental retardation), then the heirs would have been you, that is grandchildren. But it was not so. Everything was legal: your parents are legally disposed passed into the possession of their property. Publicly. This confirms you are. And there are other witnesses.