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vasya85 31.08.2009 16:01

Do I have a chance?
 
Gentlemen Show you whether I have a chance to return the pictures of my grandfather, an artist, NK Krasnov (or part of them) who are in the local museum of Penza. They had been brought there by truck my parents as useless (it was in about 1976-77 year). And now pictures of my grandfather began to appear at auction. It's a shame!: Mad:

Anatoly's grandson and great-grandson Nikita (called
in honor of his grandfather, Nikita Karpovich)

vyadem 31.08.2009 16:21

vasya85, I think is unlikely ... unless you have legally obtained prove that at the time your parents are incompetent ...

vasya85 31.08.2009 16:54

Now for this "fashionable" to share with the heirs of works of art that have come to museums unexplored putyami.Ya somehow sure that the museum and the parents properly documented did not make anything.
vyadem,

Yaya 31.08.2009 17:01

vasya85, so contact the lawyers. Let regained good. You, as an intelligent person, do not say these fields directly in the eye: give, they say, is that the parents gave you, without receipts, at the bazaar so expensive!

31.08.2009 17:08

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Сообщение от vasya85 (Сообщение 578946)
For some reason I am sure that the museum and the parents properly documented did not make anything.

This excluded. Remember sacramental: "Socialism - is, first of all, accounting and control."
Consult a lawyer for the property relations for assistance. But keep in mind that the first question he will ask you about ... value of these paintings.

Евгений 31.08.2009 18:00

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Сообщение от vasya85 (Сообщение 578946)
We have in fact "cool" to share with the heirs of works of art that have come to museums unexplored putyami.Ya somehow sure that the museum and the parents properly documented did not make anything.

You must go to the museum to learn the situation, and then gadat.30 years, orphan, pictures could not be in a museum, it is not private sklad.Shansy zero.

Кирилл Сызранский 31.08.2009 18:06

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Сообщение от vasya85 (Сообщение 578896)
And now pictures of my grandfather began to appear at auction.

Able to prove that the painting sold at auction is transferred to the museum?

vasya85 31.08.2009 19:00

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky (Сообщение 579116)
can prove that the auctions to sell the painting is transferred to the museum?

list of the paintings were sent iznachalno.Poetomu can not say that the picture of muzeya.U my brother left for a little sketch of deda.Vse else was exactly are dumped in the museum's storerooms.
        But if the museum is out of paper from my parents that they donated all of these can kartiny.To pobodatsya, I think so.

Кирилл Сызранский 31.08.2009 19:16

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Сообщение от vasya85 (Сообщение 579156)
But if the museum is out of paper from my parents that they donated all these pictures.

OK, let's say that the museum is not markets.
And you have them? You can prove that they belong to you? Can challenge the right of ownership to them?

31.08.2009 20:52

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Сообщение от Maroussia (Сообщение 579196)
there is a chance only if you are not going to tell everyone that your parents brought pictures in the museum "as unnecessary," and will argue that the parents brought pictures in storage. " Then the lawyer will tell you the way, too, recommend inviting.

I agree, "as superfluous," sounds not in favor of enforceability, but also to write something that was not deposited nado.Peredacha involves drawing up an appropriate instrument, in duplicate, with a list of the stored, shelf life. And all this is assured by a notary. Such records No, and invent - a vredit.Nachinat be with the rights of the museum at the pictures. And to do this correctly to make a claim for recognition of the rights of citizens to inherit the artistic heritage deda.Esli court will not refuse, and recognizes the next step - the legality of stay in the museum . The court will request a complete list of museum pieces of the artist and documents in possession. If the museum does not submit the documents, the court may decide in favor of the plaintiff - naslednika.Zdes must take into account that the museum is the state. 'll Have to make concessions. But to do this is to reach, not spending enough money ... The most expensive civil case - imuschestvennye.Kto pays - that's right.


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