Exhibition "Thaw and time after. Moscow Artists 1958-2008"

[Маруся]

Your coalition should be ashamed of its members!

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

Sorry layman, but if I see the average poster - that and say that this poster, despite its price tag. Thumbnail number one can easily repeat a designer or illustrator.

I remember, especially in the Guide to the Forum prescribed reference for questions about the significance of Malevich. And there in the discussion remember one brilliant metaphor about the decisive goal on a penalty kick in the World Cup finals. That is to score a goal can be any footballer, but not every football player will reach the final.
Once heard as Volokhov commented on their work. I say that not many of the sixties as they can. For me this is one of the criteria. And in general there is a feeling that Volokhov still very undervalued.

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от Vladimir

once heard as Volokhov commented on their work. I say that not many of the sixties as they can. For me this is one of the criteria. And in general there is a feeling that Volokhov still very undervalued.

    I can not understand the connection between the skill of the artist and his abilities commentator?
What is more important - a picture or comments? Often beautiful or not an idea, simple or complicated words hiding emptiness.
    Of course, I FM Dostoevsky and not even Lukyanenko, but those ideas and texts that I see from today's conceptualists - I can not think of genius. I can think of "on time" more and better. But I do not rvus in "artists." Also, I screwed out of garbage and nemusora much that is exposed on the conceptual exhibitions - but I do not rvus in "artists." You will not doubt my abilities to think and write long texts of a given quality? [How long will]

   And how people are given the title and academics, as the picture hit the high-Union and All-Russia Exhibition - I know very well. Half of Merit, half - of patronage and for the post. One of the best artist draws, the second sitting in the presidium and manages the local union. Talent is different, but the formal results of who will be better?
  
    Sure that any collector or gallery owner dreams about the same thing, the dream of every soldier. Soldier dreams of becoming a general (or dembelnutsya: D), a collector wants to open a new Van Gogh and enter with him into history. I'm afraid that if we seek new vangogov by the noise they made noise, or the current high price tags - the result will be negative. As many times history proves.

[Vladimir]

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

I can not understand the connection between the skill of the artist and his abilities commentator?
What is more important - a picture or comments? Often beautiful or not an idea, simple or complicated words hiding emptiness.

We had an interesting discussion on this topic: http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...???? ????????? Subject Isskusstvo should be explaining? "

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

Lord, if the measure of the artist in terms of number of publications in the press and value, then one of the Artists of Art - the notorious Damian Hirst.

Sovershenno verno. Paru let nazad onbyl nomer 1 v spiske vliiatel'nyh lidei iskusstva.

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Сообщение от Chernomashentsev Vladimir

properly treat the art as the stock market, focusing solely on price tags.

Zolotye slova.

A Van Gogh vsio ze byl raskruchen!

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Designer is not only a painter, easel, in my opinion.
This schedule, and sculptor, and an applied. No?

Eto kak dogovorit'sia. Ia uze pytalsia, no bezuspeshno.
Dlia sebia ia opredeliaiu hudoznika imenno tak.

The artist is only a painter.

Navernoe conservativno, no ....

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Сообщение от fross

It helps to reduce interest follies per message.

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Сообщение от Maroussia

Your coalition should be ashamed of its members!

Why we should be ashamed!
I did not call anyone stupid, nobody was rude. I spoke on the theme of trying to justify [argue] opinion, it is impossible to relate to art and artists as a commodity with a price tag hanging. Thus, even objected to one of the members of our group - Eugene. Or for him you too ashamed? He's the one that said here against? I do not even argue with Fross, I did not even know her views on the miniatures shown - admires Fross or disapproved.

I am sure that it is not necessary to call the artist's great, if it only the prices are great. This is show business, not art. Following the current vogue for conceptualism and relevance will be held, the current American crisis in the arts will be held, as was the same Fevr. The high price tags, perhaps, will be changed the sign "SALE!". I would hope for the best ...

However, if the owner of the subject say that he wants to see me here - I will not fight for space. I'll go and do not slam the door. I am not sorry to leave the computer "battlefield".
Goodbye.

[fross]

Previous version of the message contained useful advice Eugenia familiar with the topics on the forum dedicated to creative non-conformists.
Name Leonid Sokov already mentioned several times in different themes, but look at his work can not often. First, I have seen Stalin was in the collection of Ludwig in the Russian Museum. He had been installed in front of windows with white curtains and the monumentally beautiful. Then Lenin and Dzhakometi of Art4.ru - with gay and delicate irony. A look at the name of soaring bear., And its recognizable theme with Marilyn.

[Posav]

Vladimir, in our turbulent 21 important information and ideas, rather than technical skill. In actualism just have new ideas. Here you can do without a beautiful stroke and TP. That is valued in classical painting. Eden now more expensive than the Arts. You evaluate that work on the criteria of classical painting, but it is not a classical painting. The first work in general collage.

P.S. Maroussia! In our coalition is not forbidden dissent, in your own tail can be seen as walking one behind another, and put down thank you.

[fross]

Сообщение от Posav

Vladimir, in our turbulent 21 important information and ideas, rather than technical skill. In actualism just have new ideas. Here you can do without a beautiful stroke and TP. That is valued in classical painting. Eden now more expensive than the Arts. You evaluate that work on the criteria of classical painting, but it is not a classical painting. The first work in general collage.

In art, with an equal level of technical skill, and really need more ideas. Already in the 20 century, a beautiful stroke was not enough.
PSNedavno in the mysteries of abstraction were, so there beautiful strokes, and on them you can easily find authors.

[Черномашенцев Владимир]

Ideas feeble happened.

Look at the posters, which I just posted on the topic "Present-parody.

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showth...095#post561095

No worse than the posters Bulatov - from my point of view. Ideas clearly stronger than that of artists who paint and can not, and can not think properly. I'm not talking about the fact that posters Bulatov were almost safe in a time when nobody could have predicted the decline of the Soviet era. A less unknown artists-poster artist allowed themselves much more rapidly respond to authority, not being confident in their safety.

I agree that the sculpture of juices - a masterpiece. If you visit the "experimental" Hall GTG - compared to other installations, he looks really wonderful.

PS

I can not help it. I do not like, and Bulatov, Kabakov, Kulik and others unknown to me Conceptual. What sort of ideas - in any advertising agency better idea! What should I do? Factitiously admire, repeating the opinions of "guru"?