Aivazovsky-attribution

[uriart]

Nikolai Levenko, Thanks a lot!
I'm not going to buy. Who cares,Vienna,Dorotheum. April 23 auction.

[uriart]

Here's another work has appeared in the network.
It would be interesting to know on the subject of authenticity.
Unfortunately the size is unknown.

Interesting signature at work.
Why is the letter "u" instead of "Th"
It's happened to the signatures?

[Николай Левенко]

Сообщение от uriart

Interesting signature at work.
Why is the letter "u" instead of "Th"
It's happened to the signatures?

Doubtful thing. Despite the fact that the sky is filled with normal, autograph crosses all. Similar names end Aivazovsky in Cyrillic don't recall. Specifically ran on the specimen signature of the artist, but this signature is not found. In General, the authenticity of this work, I doubt it.

[Маруся]

Сообщение от Николай Левенко

autograph negates all

Nikolai Levenko, Sorry if not on topic but what do You think about already pretty widely known practice in the history of Russian collecting when the owner designed the original, but not a signed artist's autographed "credibility"?

P. S.
Question without regard to the work being discussed.

[Николай Левенко]

Сообщение от Маруся

what do You think about already pretty widely known practice in the history of Russian collecting when the owner designed the original, but not a signed artist's autographed "credibility"?

In my opinion, such a practice in the history of collecting should not exist in principle. The good thing is does not need more "convincing", and the weak and the signature is in doubt. Some of the collectors said, "it's Always better to purchase a top thing an artist of the second row than the checkpoint even a great master. The explanation is simple: weak job simply does not reflect the qualities of the artist, for which he is appreciated". I believe that it is impossible to invade into works of art, thereby calling into question the authorship of the artist (the only exception is the restoration works).
Well, if you sign a job to convince the buyer in case of sale of the picture, it already looks like a hoax. That's my opinion.

[Маруся]

Сообщение от Николай Левенко

Well, if you sign a job to convince the buyer in case of sale of the picture, it already looks like a hoax. That's my opinion.

Well lowering malice, more like vandalism...

[QUOTE="Николай Левенко;3433481"]Good thing does not need more "convincing", and the weak and the signature causes samnenia@

Absolutely agree.

But the phenomenon about which I was asking, is, or rather was the place to be and characterizes the owner and not the author.
I met a "feature owner" work "to the heirs did not forget the name of the artist". The heir of the recommended "autograph" to wash away, and only then to carry the work for examination, because even his own grandfather could not remember... and also because the experts will respond to a wrong signature. But how will judging work - question...

[Kaestlin]

marousia, sorry for the intrusion in the topic in which. However, your question is very relevant. Only I would-with your permission - formulated approximately so: how often in your practice you have met genuine, but nepodemnye work late, "lime" signatures? How these signatures influenced the fate of things? Anything smarter not imagine, but the answer to your very relevant question quite gave HC. Nick. Levenko. Of course-and bad for things, and don't need. But occurs more often than we would like.
It is especially annoying when idiotic signature-n from the "top" filth deaf NC. and what beautiful these are NC. Sometimes much better imaginary signer.
Maroussia, you beat me to it-I see your comment. You can not wash off, it's annoying as ochepyatka. But sorry for the dirty lies sincere things-always

[Sunny]

Uriart, a similar plot Aivazovsky left with Bonhams in November last year, over 13 million roubles Approximately.

[uriart]

Sunny, 13 million is a considerable amount!
Perhaps what was so special about this job?
Or the provenance of slaughter? Or the huge size?

[Маруся]

[QUOTE="Kaestlin;3433561"]But occurs more often than we would like.
It is especially annoying when idiotic signature-n from the "top" filth deaf NH@

Well, it is perhaps the most common case of fakes. In my own history it was quite a good fixation of authorship, though not by the author himself and owner of the work... And the question was whether the experts are ready to seriously consider the authorship, having frankly wrong signature, or, as said Nikolai Levenko: "Autograph negates all"?

By the way, my story did end well. Grandpa was right. Examination confirmed it. And heir was very pleased. Although the names of the artists did not remember, despite all the efforts of his grandfather...