For the Russian obscenities in Estonia fined

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Сообщение от Valerit

According to Estonian and may not swear how to.

Cursed man as follows -

But he was fine - so swear should not be.

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In Dovlatov in "Ours" on non-standard expressions, expressive Russian has a wonderful epizodik :

but maternal grandfather has a very tough -minded . Even in the Caucasus , he was considered a violent man. His wife and children trembled at his gaze.
If something is irritating his grandfather, he frowned and exclaimed in a low voice :
- ABANAMAT !
This mysterious word literally paralyzed the others. Inspired them to a mystical horror .
- ABANAMAT ! - Exclaimed the old man.
And , the house became quiet.
Meaning of the word mother never learned about . I also could not understand what that word means . And when he entered the university , I suddenly realized . The mothers did not explain . Why? .. >

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Сообщение от Mimoprohodil

I Dovlatov in "Ours" on non-standard expressions, expressive Russian has a wonderful epizodik :

[I] but maternal grandfather has a very tough -minded . Even in the Caucasus , he was considered a violent man. His wife and children trembled at his gaze.
If something is irritating his grandfather, he frowned and exclaimed in a low voice :
- ABANAMAT !

Yeah, I said , this episode in Dovlatov.
However, there is a mat and the Armenians and the Georgians , the other Caucasian people - I do not know , but I think it is. And the mat is not simple, but quite difficult. But it is not used as just strong language in conversation. After it usually starts with a serious disassembly unpredictable and often tragic finale.

[Victor_art]

Here is what Michael Zadornov on Russian material: >

Michael Zadornov obscene words do not swear for many years. A recently found more proof of the fact that it is very rightly so. Because the Russian swear words were originally quite different, meaning light and served as a kind of talisman. And turn them into dirty expletives - is unnatural and illogical.

- The more I study the history of our forefathers, the pagan, the better relate to them. They worshiped one god Rod and not to sacrifice any animals, let alone humans. They had a pure Vedic (hence the word "manifest") philosophy, they revered nature as the main manifestation of God on earth.

In general, "paganism" - a very good word. It means "I zychu nature - that is," I am voicing nature. "But then, our ancestors caught in the" PR "of the West, have betrayed this philosophy. Of the believers and freethinkers they have become stagnant and religious. Retain elements of the former wisdom only Russian. True, we do not always notice this wisdom, and sometimes distorts beyond recognition. That's happened and with the mat.

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- Matt you think - a part of past wisdom?

- Not in the sense that it is now. A few millennia ago, the god, creator, had a few names: God, Family, Svarog, grant-god (even in today's prayer is left: "Give us this day ")... Another of the names of the Creator - Ebun. Sorry, but this is a decent name for the time. And away went the word "fucking count" - the vibrations Ebun created the world. Today, quantum physicists have confirmed that the universe is due to the explosion of a nuclear reaction, wave propagation, vibrations and vibrations. The last word pronounced as our ancestors' vebratsiya. " They intuitively know about the wave nature of a world.

Hence, too, went the other pagan word, preserving its meaning to our days: "prayer" or "prayer Ebunu." And those who were created when vibrations were patronymic - Ivan ebich, Oleg-ebich, Nicola ebna. The word "child" of the same origin, but in ancient times it was uttered long - "pereebenok" ... By the way, the Arabs, who once took over many of our words because of lack of development in their own languages, first name denotes a part "b.". Abdurahman Hassan ibn Khattab, or, in Russian, old-Khattab ebich ...

Even rude, that we are now releasing to the mother's abuser, at the source meant his desire to extend the order. It was a very fair words, and they never were seen as pagan profanity.

- The offensive plenty of other words ...

- The most flagrant obscene word, we denote the female reproductive organs. Do you know how it was formed? I was Ebuna two manifestations: the male energy, called "en", and women - "ki." "An 'then passed into the pronoun" he ", as well as many names - John, Jean, Johann ... A" ki "in conjunction with the ancient word" yes "(the law) and" g "(sound cutter, cut out because the laws on the rocks) means "giving life". Or "kizda." But later, a letter has changed, and it became a dirty word. Keep in mind that if you pull too swear, can mitigate the expression and say, for example, "not kizdi!" Although better, of course, these words do not say at all.

- And where did you have this information?

- Every little helps. I travel a lot, talking with interesting people, I read - for example, the remarkable book by Sergei Alexeyev, who recommend to anyone who wants to hear the native language, I get e-mail messages from enthusiasts who study the nature of words. In particular, it revealed to me a lot with the filing of "archeology" of Russian Konstantin Lipsky.

- At what point does "good" words were considered to be abusive?

- With the advent of Christianity, all that was associated with the philosophy of natural history, have tried to delete from the language as well as to present itself paganism obscurantism. Among those most swear words. To do this they attributed to the most terrible "sin": that they brought us the Tatars. And in Russia there was nothing worse than that associated with the Tatar-Mongol yoke. And these words have lost meaning amulet, becoming a monstrous foul language. But the Tatars for insulting the mothers to chop off hands and heads.

And the fact that the matrix was originally a talisman, and shows a different meaning of the word, which is used in our time - a mattress that trail on the floor when doing gymnastics or acrobatics. Mat, mat, designed to protect the athlete from injury!

The name of the pagan holiday of Ivan Kupala is derived from the word "fuck", meaning light, and charitable actions that serve fertility.

But today all of these words listed as vermin space, and the people who utter them, attached themselves to this space. Therefore, I am by no means a call to use profanity. Their value they have lost a talisman after they began to use the right and left. Amulets can not say often. So my theory is interesting only as a museum piece.

However, there is a slight nuance. If you use these words only in extreme and exceptional situations, they can still serve as amulets. No wonder the war is always foul. And if a woman who had hitherto made use of swear words, getting into an accident, swears that he should not have dreamed nedopohmelivshemusya janitor, she often stays alive and unhurt

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Сообщение от Victor_art

Here is what Michael Zadornov ...

I recalled the gibberish Zadornov this:

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Сообщение от Victor_art

Here is what Michael Zadornov on Russian material : >

Linguistic study M. Zadornov quite fit into the context of what the writing and speaking Zalyaznyak A. "On the amateur linguistics ".
But , of course, Zadoronov , no one ( such researchers in a variety appear recently everywhere, not just in Russia). Many linguists are amateurs. All of this would be funny , sometimes interesting, especially if the " linguist " with humor , but many do take it seriously. And begin to cultivate that already own theories and there is already a half-step is not only ridiculous , but also to the dangerous .


Lecture Andrew Zalizniak "What is the amateur linguistics "
http://www.polit.ru/news/2010/05/29/zaliznyak_live/

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Сообщение от zarajara

linguistic study M. Zadornov quite fit into the context of what the writing and speaking Zalyaznyak A. "On the amateur linguistics".
But, of course, Zadoronov, no one (such researchers in a variety appear recently everywhere, not just in Russia). Many linguists are amateurs. All of this would be funny, sometimes interesting, especially if the "linguist" with humor, but many do take it seriously. And begin to cultivate that already own theories and there is already a half-step is not only ridiculous, but also to the dangerous

Zarajara, I largely agree with you, there is a good Russian proverb: "Make a fool to pray to God, he and forehead smash" - I know your fears about the "half-step from the ridiculous to dangerous." I'm more interested in positive, constructive fruits of creative activity of Mikhail Zadornov, who often bring much more benefit than the work of many graduate linguists. Since I did it happen that this topic is not only about the Russian material, but also Estonia, give a vivid example of how different conclusions can do for themselves about the benefits or harm of "amateur linguistics" Mikhail Zadornov. >

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Сообщение от Victor_art

I'm more interested in the fruits of creative work of Mikhail Zadornov

What is a "positive and constructive," you find in his "art"?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

What is a "positive and constructive ," you find in his " art "?

I have not found , but I see creativity Zadornov positive and creative. All that we are looking for a long time ago to find us , but will discuss this another time. > criticize someone's work , not hard , it's hard to do something himself in life that can bring benefit and happiness of others, and so let it all ...

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Сообщение от Victor_art

I have not found, but I see creativity Zadornov positive and constructive.

This retardation gee-gee-gee to teleyaschiku during zadornovskih jokes, "Well, that Americans-nN-e" You have a positive and constructive opinion?
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