Abstract painting in 2011

[Seriy]

"To say that all the works of Picasso cubism is, even when they lithography" - iside, no words.
You do not only with the MOMA, you should start with the directory ...

went to bring in quotes offline.

And my advice to you-throw to study painting on furniture salon.

[iside]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

are you talking about the authors of pictures here?

No, it's about artists not from the theme, as all previous ones, all subjects are alive, since Luke Pignatelli and ending with Robert Ferro.

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

I'm in the photographs presented iside, very faint images are seen, quite.

This is one site that is proposed abstract art for home decoration
Cyril Syzransky, it is not specifically in those pictures are weak or not, this is just an example, thousands of such sites, is looking to prove something? Why?

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Сообщение от iside

is not particularly weak in those pictures or not, this is just an example, thousands of such sites, is looking to prove something?
Why?

An example of what?

Did you prove anything?
I do not understand what you prove?

No, I'm probably not understood the essence of the topic.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

No, I'm probably not understood the essence of the topic.

Dear iside, when I was alone went to study in the department of painting, the other on the designer's designer. Ie young people no one pushing to do. From one required scenic literacy concepts from other innovative solutions and extraordinary performance of tasks. And there where the views of all evaluated differently. Requirements were different. We did not encounter anyone foreheads, because we share the inning. Today, all adults. But we're just different! Abstractionist should criticize these people who live in this understanding, as well as in the classics. If I show you a selection of classical painting, as well as avant-garde with the question: "Identify? , All supporters of classical art, as well as contemporary art plunge in Google for help. Why should it? That's why I started with a quote Cyril Syzran.

[iside]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Did you prove anything? I do not understand what you prove?

Cyril Syzransky, Artem, a forum of course a very interesting community, although it is not my reference group for various reasons, I wondered, suddenly, on the forum there is a man who could sum art criticism rationale why abstract painting is now produced in 2011, can still be considered art, and is fundamentally different than an artist, producing abstract paintings in all seriousness for yourself when there is an ocean of non-artists who decided to become artists and to begin with abstraction, and fill the paintings furniture stores? What are the criteria for evaluation and abstract works of abstract art can be?

(Emphasis added, as an issue and why I opened this thread)

abstractionist should criticize these people who live in this understanding, as well as the classics.

Artem, behold, I just was looking for a man, I know that Liana could on the subject to answer, but, unfortunately, there was, we know who, and all trying to discuss and understand, from the height of self-advised mission to teach the "materiel".

[GalARTA]

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GalARTA,
iside, ladies! You what? paintings, which I cited, are classics of abstract art, not to recognize them, it's like not to know "Morning in a pine forest."

Sergey, and you that everything on display at the Tretyakov like? Do you own opinions are or what? It seemed to me that we can openly express themselves in nature and do not pose as connoisseurs of art in all directions. Let him at least a hundred times demanded, Franz Klein does not understand and do not like. Generally in the world of abstraction can only be understood as consonant with the soul. This inner harmony - emotions, feelings and the outside world. If the art looked through Chernukha frank, I can not under any circumstances accept. ahead of your cries, to announce that Munch (though he did not abstractionist) also know and still hate it. I do not understand why I am solely responsible for his folly to try to imagine. And the rest, everything is fine!

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Сообщение от GalARTA

Sergey, and you that everything on display at the Tretyakov like?

I do not Sergei, but I will say about the exhibits Tretyakovok (here and there) so: something I certainly do not like it, but I know that people are hung up there, these things are not stupid like me and even better in my art savvy + there things which the writers went into the history of the national art and are there simply must be at least something.

[GalARTA]

Сообщение от iside; 1513831"

art criticism rationale why abstract painting is now produced in 2011, can still be considered art

Art is everything, where there is a sincere enthusiasm, talent and emotional intensity, stylistic integrity and innovation. so in this century in this category can be attributed not all. This does not apply the same abstraction - here gets an abyss of realism and impessionizma, avant-garde, "sketched" from the great. I see that the category of art is something that makes you empathize with - can rejoice, and maybe cry. Here persistently raises the question of morality and ethics in art. And it is a question much more complicated than the problems with modern abstract art.
Of course, Sergei rights should be taught materiel, but take it on faith is not necessary. Its taste should otachivat and gullibility reduced. All we know today as the place to promote new geniuses. This is the area of artbiznesa - need to distinguish this, too. In short, Isis, you have all your questions no one answered, as they are rhetorical. And abstraction - this is the output in the mining world and if you go out on a rail, then you all will be clear and without us, and if the outputs are different, you still can not enjoy it. So what difference does it art or not? It will be impossible to understand and love, too.)))

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky; 1513911"

there are things which the writers went into the history of native art and are there simply must be at least something.

Undoubtedly, this is so. We're not talking about the fact that museums are made correctly - They collect art and collectors with a capital letter. we say that in addition to the professional, not a professional attitude will understand - I do not understand. And here just want honesty, that's all)))

[iside]

GalARTA, thanks to my rhetorical question, you have given at least a rhetorical answer.

Сообщение от GalARTA

Here persistently raises the question of morality and ethics in art. And it is a question much more complicated than the problems with modern abstract art.

GalARTA I recently spoke with artists who do not even know how to more accurately describe them: their book is not measured pages, and pounds - Masters. We talked about contemporary art, they expressed the same opinion as you. True, they still complained that it is not left critics working in the name of art "and thus we have what we have.

[Seriy]

GalARTA, t e I think that museums exhibits a real art, the best? Yes. Like-nenravitsya-depends on the situation, I am always looking just what I needed, and that takes my mind at this particular moment, and everything, "enjoying" is not looking. Actually, I very quickly saturated, so many patterns are physically unable to watch.

Regarding the abstraction. IMHO, to understand abstraction as hard as figurative painting, there is no difference. Just in figurative painting present a distraction-figure, a dog, for example. Yeah, this is a picture of the dog, of course, a dog is like, so I understand this now. And in an abstract painting dogs not look at it and do not understand, bad picture.
Picasso said - the picture is always an abstraction, I never thought form. I'm writing a color conflict, the track and only a last-minute add some detail, it is for the viewer, so it was easier to picture a "spectator friendly". Add nose get a portrait, add a flower, still life, and it is possible and the dog.
IMHO, this is one of the secrets of the popularity of Picasso, he created a "spectator friendly" pictures, they have always been an allusion to the figurative, more or less. He was always making the viewer with the confidence that he understands the author's intention.
 When at the end of life Picasso was saying he lied to people, I think he's exactly that meant.
In the abstract paintings of the same elements as in any art, composition, line, light, color, stroke, texture. Evaluating them, assess the picture and understand it, bad or good.