Russian week in London

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http://antrakt.ng.ru/antiquare/2008-12-05/9_antik.html

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Сообщение от SergeiSK

Here, for some reason no one compares with the Socialist Realism of the Russian classical painting of the 19 th century. Although the first studied with the latter. So why do we have to compare the Socialist Realism and non-conformism? Perhaps it should be compared with the Russian avant-garde an interesting discussion to achieve. Who is on whose side would stand up?

It has been compared, to see what writing Olga. I wrote about the same, I just did not talk about Russian painting, and about art in general - how much you can talk about the "one country", I'm bored!

Now, you yourself say that it was "a classic Russian paintings 19 th century". That is, in the 19 th century, this style was created, and in 30-50 years. 20 th century plied his imitators. Given that the very Russian painting the 19 th century was the art of provincial and secondary - had to wait 10-20-ies. 20 th century, to see the flowering of Russian art - then and does stuff - imitation epigonism, there is something to be proud!

Or, in your view, all the arts was to stay in the Russian (and honestly, not even Russian at all - where they all went, huh? Of whom now they are doing?) "Critical realism" 19 st century? So, normally, when there are stylistic differences between, say, works XIV and XVIII Egyptian dynasties, between the icons and Komnenovskogo Paleologovskogo Renaissance, between art and trecento kvattrochento, and here - "Stop a moment, you're beautiful!"? And what, may I ask, especially beautiful in this moment? The fact that all look like? Well, because now we have this picture there!

Comparing with the vanguard of socialist realists - what's the point? Should rejoice that such comparisons are not carried out - presumably out of pure charity, as well as from any comparison Popova Drevin or all of these baldandyanami hurt, of course, not Popova and Drevin.

I partly agree with you regarding the non-conformists. Indeed, the recognition of the West - and the recognition of more than a relative - was due to ideological reasons. But the nonconformists were different, and along with hollow shapes, among them there are, in my opinion, and significant artists. We should not forget that if the term "socialist realism" style name in the art - and artistic style fake insolvent, then the "non-conformism - stylistically neutral word, it simply groups of artists who do not follow formally perpetuated by art, so that in this case comparisons are inappropriate.

Сообщение от SergeiSK

talented nonconformists can be counted on the fingers, for talented socialist realists do not have enough fingers for all participants in the discussion.

Here, I might add, since the first time missed: you do imagine the overall ratio nonkonfomistov and socialist realists? Nonconformists were dozens, socialist realists - millions and you have me on the fingers

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SergeiSK, I would like to add that the time is already puts everything in its place. When in the early nineties I worked with one of the first galleries that were engaged in socialist realism in the CHA and held regular exhibitions, visitors to the exhibitions, speaking in Russian, at best, turned up their noses and shook his finger to his temple, and at worst - openly spat ... And only "stupid Americans" (vocabulary, Mr. Zadornov) shared in the same batches were buying pictures - good for them then it was worth mere penny. A really well-known Mr. Matthew Bown what got ...
Less than ten years, as those Naja aesthetes grown-matured (ie, more sensible) and became regulars Sovkomovskih auctions and customers specialized galleries.
I think that will not have much time and many (at least those who finance to allow time) changed peregarnogo Zvereva, zapoloshnogo Slepysheva and very specific to the lyrical Kropivnitskogo Gerasimov, thin Grits, and an absolute genius Pimenov.

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Сообщение от LCR

compare with the vanguard of the socialist realists - what's the point?

I suggested to compare the Russian avant-garde with non-conformism. Where are we really with socialist realism in Kalashny number of ... I think that with such a comparison, the epithets are more blurred ...

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Сообщение от LCR

just groups of artists, do not follow the official perpetuated arts,

Comparison with the Russian avant-garde itself arises.

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That's absolutely brilliant in my opinion paper on nonconformists Kovaleva, I think you will like it: http://old.russ.ru/krug/20000820_kov.html

Comparison of non-conformists with avant-garde, too senseless - the tradition was interrupted, and in the 60's had to reinvent the wheel - 40 triumphant years of socialist realism that you want to hang

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Сообщение от passers 128975

and an absolute genius Pimenov.

I know where the exhibition is held Pimenov Yu. Many things are shown first.
Phone in Moscow: 954-30-09

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Сообщение от SergeiSK

This is my point of view, but sooner or later, socialism will rule the world, is the only correct policy, respectively, again revived and Socialist Realism. So the dispute is not over, the struggle continues!

my eyes would not read this ... If you noticed that on this forum for socialist realism serve people 10 to force the rest of this business and look chuckle. Want to work on your socialist realism, please, no one opposed. But why did it everywhere skewer and say that is the pinnacle of art, the only proper direction. This is what causes major irritation. Engage them, please, but be constructive and do not meddle with your academics in the topic about Western art, non-conformism, avant-garde, classical, etc. Graters anything .. we have already realized that you, the defenders, reasoned arguments are not valid, so what kind of meaningful debate can there be? Arguing Interestingly, when the sides listen to each other, and are ready to listen and understand each other ... This is definitely not our situation, and therefore more like what you like, but we love what we ... insist on a sim the end of this useless argument ...

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Сообщение от Meister

If you find something on this forum for socialist realism serve people 10 to force the rest of this business and look chuckle.

but about Western art serve man 6-7, and no one laughed except you, I will tell you that you are also not in favor of listening to his interlocutor, and the plant you really Meister.

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A very good interview with the artist Volkova of socialist realism
http://www.ferghana.ru/article.php?id=4815

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Сообщение от Meister

so the more you love what you like, but we love what we

Huh what had zapad.Dlya inteligentsii informal art in the sixties was like a breath of fresh vozduha.Nevinovaty they were in the country of Soviet life was so carefree and free horosho.Mozhno love "socialist realism" but an informal art of the sixties has its firm place in the hearts of many people survivors' hunger freedom. "because in any case in Odessa.