How to unleash the artist

[Евгений]

Сообщение от Marta

-fix idea from Paul. Now, like I understood. This is from the idyllic world.

All right, Paul, the word "auction" to understand something else, it generally is often very difficult to understand ..

Сообщение от Marta

A kind of chain of events that led to the same.

The forum is often discussed .. (but not in this topic).

[LCR]

Сообщение от Marta

This is understandable. But, on the one hand, why should an artist to spoil his reputation, and sell a "great Discount", if there is a chance to sell at auction and get a double bonus?

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But I just wanted to understand what kind of idea-fix from Paul. Now, like I understood. This is from the idyllic world.

Marta, I think of all the paintings on display at the auction, the work provided by the artists who make up less than 1%- no coincidence there were so many conversations, when Hirst exhibited his work at the auction itself, bypassing the gallery and dealers.
Auction Houses, by definition, not engaged in the primary market and secondary, that is, sell things, no longer owned by the artist. That is what prompted the creation of law on the right route - to give the artist an opportunity to receive a small fraction of the cost of its operations in the event of resale.

Of course, the auction houses are seeking to expand the scope of its activities and offer artists with the already established quotation to give their belongings for auction. But typically, artists reluctant to do so: there is a point of view that make the picture up for auction can be used only if you're ready to buy it myself so it will not remain unsold.

Pavel sustained the fantasy - you would think that is enough to come to any auction house and take their pictures on the auction. In fact, in 99 cases out of 100 you just will not talk, and this is understandable: the auction house gets its revenue from sales. Accordingly, first, to evaluate the paintings, they must know the quotation of the artist, and secondly, they should be in any way confident that the painting would sell, and therefore, the artist must be known. Sales of "studio" when it sells the entire contents of the artist's studio (almost always - shortly after his death, or how not so long ago, in the case Hmelyuka, after the death of his widow), which with such admiration for Paul says - just selling at bargain prices All artists of this fear like the plague.

[noart]

Сообщение от Ilya Maksimov

It is interesting and in some cases, if the dealer or gallery is taken for promotion of the artist?
Do not take the case when the artist himself pays for the dealer.
He must be talented?
In a very good acquaintance?
Must abandon the characters?
The artist must have himself to unleash a certain level?
Or even how?

As practice shows, no matter the talent, but who exactly picked up your promotion)
Of course, not unimportant, that if (the talent of the artist) to do it much cheaper.
Since the galleries we have not observed, we write an abstract version of the motion.
1) Gallery - note that the gallery, not the dealer - should show the artist in the world of art. forums. This path will pass through the artist's so-called millstones.
If all went well and the gallery can see that the artist has an interest among collectors and amateurs of art.
2) Then you can try to present this artist at what is a good auction (again will not take into account Our shtetl auctions)
And of course there is already trying to do freestyle sale.
3) do a good PR company.
Of course all this will require a certain costs, but if you do everything correctly, these costs will be repaid with interest.
But in part we observe that the right ball of mediocrity and such as charlatans support them. That is a real problem.
As said Akhmatova - to hold the talent - mediocrity themselves break through))))

[Евгений]

Сообщение от LCR

Y Paul sustained the fantasy - you would think that is enough to come to any auction house and take their pictures on the auction. In fact, in 99 cases out of 100 you just will not talk, and this is understandable: the auction house gets its revenue from sales. Accordingly, first, to evaluate the pictures they need to know quote the artist, and secondly, they should be in any way confident that the painting would sell, and therefore, artist must be known.

You're right 100%...

[gans]

Сообщение от noart

As practice shows, no matter the talent, but who exactly picked up your promotion)
Of course, not unimportant, that if (the talent of the artist) to do it much cheaper.

Here's a good answer -

Сообщение от LCR

It is not that simple, sir.
All decide raskrutchika ambitions and his views on the potential unwound: the greater the potential, the greater the costs - a large ship - great diving "

[Marta]

Paul, I understand you to turn until the auction should not therefore doubly interesting: Akak general in Moscow, with opportunities to participate in exhibitions in your format (Pro "Gold Brush" I've read)? There is a possibility? Or a couple of times a year and more than anywhere else. (I mean group exhibitions - projects, exhibitions CX i.t.p.)

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Marta

Paul, I understand you to turn until the auction should not therefore doubly interesting: Akak general in Moscow, with opportunities to participate in exhibitions in your format (Pro "Gold Brush" I've read)? There is a possibility? Or a couple of times a year and more than anywhere else. (I mean group exhibitions - projects, exhibitions CX i.t.p.)

Exhibitions. With exhibitions difficult. Exhibitions MOSH enable us to show one job and then if ponravishsya exhibitions, a group of these small-галерейках expensive and useless, but I am not fit to go there, in the CHA is expensive and there are already so komertsializirovalos that it is difficult to expect the result of creativity. I stand where it can be shown free of charge.
I advise you to go anywhere, but not give work to dealers-only money up front.
The same situation with many famous artists, all twisted.

[noart]

Сообщение от Pavel

There is another problem im there on our art leaned, they have their impoverished artists and talented enough, as he said to me one Antique-gallery owners, I would rather buy my bad than yours.
Therefore we need for the entire system of the market which works fine there.
Talent must still be found, but why look when fully relatives.

Quite agree with you. But if a significant artist in Art Forum, and if the artist will be able to success (and hence sales) in this version does not play the role of your nationality.
What happens quite opposite to ours. We have several galleries. which make attempts and participate in world forums. But basically do it at a loss. This is a form of PR - our gallery participates in Art Basel and Art Cologne)))) In the calculation again on our customer, which can rub points)))
So important is the wrapper, and we eat it. So many artists we have, with bravado write about their so-called (achievements) - are often exaggerated in the hope that it will be commercially successful.
Plakhov way and it reflects all of our existence and reality.
Examples of mass.

[Marta]

Сообщение от Pavel

Exhibitions. With exhibitions difficult

Thank you. We too "difficult". I think in Moscow merrier. I still held not going anywhere, so interesting - it could be useful information. Still very attractive relative closeness + language.
But, frankly, from my point of view, it is best to strain and do in CHA group. While still try to gather the company! And they have there now, with the terms of payment - is unknown. We once, in 1995, made four. For young people themselves did not know exactly what we want. But it was fun. We lived in a workshop at Grube (daughter), I was there a little allergic to dusty, Lenin and Stalin at that little light is not gone. Now somehow sluggish. In vain, I guess.

[Pavel]

Сообщение от Marta

Thank you. We too "difficult". I think in Moscow merrier. I still held not going anywhere, so interesting - it could be useful information. Still very attractive relative closeness + language.
But, frankly, from my point of view, it is best to strain and do in CHA group. While still try to gather the company! And they have there now, with the terms of payment - is unknown. We once, in 1995, made four. For young people themselves did not know exactly what we want. But it was fun. We lived in a workshop at Grube (daughter), I was there a little allergic to dusty, Lenin and Stalin at that little light is not gone. Now somehow sluggish. In vain, perhaps.

Yes, the artist must be strong. healthy. sturdy. moderately intelligent and very careful. In vain, because Lenin and Stalin were sold, and sold very well. Workshop Navero empty .
At the artists of the candidates to pay attention not worth it officialdom. The money they seem to or from the state. or KOMERC community and successful or not all the same.

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Сообщение от noart

absolutely agree with you. But if a significant artist in Art Forum, and if the artist will be able to success (and hence sales) in this version does not play the role of your nationality.
What happens quite opposite to ours. We have several galleries. which make attempts and participate in world forums. But basically do it at a loss. This is a form of PR - our gallery participates in Art Basel and Art Cologne)))) In the calculation again on our customer, which can rub points)))
So important is the wrapper, and we eat it. So many artists we have, with bravado write about their so-called (achievements) - are often exaggerated in the hope that it will be commercially successful.
Plakhov way and it reflects all of our existence and reality.
Examples of weight.

Bad that it appeared Unas you. The more space the better, the higher the price and may be more lotov.No in the general situation is equally disgusting.