In that invest beginner?

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Meister

About the war is not true. During the second world people are selling everything, but kept under the beds, Renoir and Monet, because we knew that they could always sell.

Prodavali vsio, a eschio prosta otbirali iz-pod krovatei.

Goncharova and Lanskoy - will grow, it is an indisputable fact, proven.

Ne fakt. Vy ze sami skazali, chto etomu rynku 50 let, a eto ne vremia.


For beginners should contact the professionals who value their reputation and do not try to cut the money

Vy predlagaete profesionalam rabotat 'besplatno??

Understand the provenance, appraisal, etc., or, again, refer to Understanding the people.

Novichku v etom ne razobrat'sia.

buy graphics first names. It is available, strong growth may not be, but the money will be securely stored.

Grafika, eto vtorichnye dlia investirovaniia raboty. Oni nedolgovechny, trebuiut osobyh uslovii hraneniia, ne dorogi i ne prinosiat bol'shoi pribyli.

Nikomu ne rekomenduiu seriozno investirovat 'v grafiku.

[Veronic]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Grafika, eto vtorichnye dlia investirovaniia raboty. Oni nedolgovechny, trebuiut osobyh uslovii hraneniia, ne dorogi i ne prinosiat bol'shoi pribyli.

Nikomu ne rekomenduiu seriozno investirovat 'v grafiku.

In general, the world graphics and watercolor are much worse than oil bought and sold, so here I agree with Alexander.

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Сообщение от AlexanderG

Novichku v etom ne razobrat'sia.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Vy predlagaete profesionalam rabotat 'besplatno??

No, it's free does not work. Free only then you can get some information.
Serious collectors and artinvestory have paid (of course), consultants, experts, dealers, curators of collections, "helpers".

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Сообщение от AlexanderG

Grafika, eto vtorichnye dlia investirovaniia raboty. Oni nedolgovechny, trebuiut osobyh uslovii hraneniia, ne dorogi i ne prinosiat bol'shoi pribyli.
Nikomu ne rekomenduiu seriozno investirovat 'v grafiku.

Here polka here recently to discuss the timetable Nolde and remembered growth schedule Schiele.
About the old masters and say nothing.

[dedulya37]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Goncharova and Lanskoy - will grow, it is an indisputable fact, proven.

Ne fakt. Vy ze sami skazali, chto etomu rynku 50 let, a eto ne vremia.

Here I am in a neighboring branch said the same thing about Surikov.

[Meister]

AlexanderG, to provide, please, thoughts and answers, and then we have to understand where your, and where my. the more you have and translit write.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Da nichego strashnogo ne sluchitsia, upadut v tsene, mozno budet horosho prikupit '.

buying such a way Coca-Cola or BP is not weak can fly. I do not think you need to explain why.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Esli by hotel s vami pobodat'sia, to ustroil by skandal, tak, kak eto fraza mozet byt 'istolkovana, kak obvinenie vo lzi. Bud'te ostorozny.

I do not vedus of scandals, I'm not interested.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

1. Za restavratsiiu chasto berut 10-15%ot stoimosti kartiny, inogda bol'she. Vo mnogih muzeiuh i chastnyh kollektsiiah eto osnovnoi rashod.

Restoration is the specific money, and does not depend on the value of the picture, but from the complexity of the work.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

2. Daze v auktsionnyh domah%prodavtsa vyshe, au dillera on mozet dostigat '50%

sell through galleries (in Russia there is little trade, but they already have). Only unscrupulous dealers in Russia, such interest in the world the percentage of the mediator is 10%.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

3. Osobo dorogie kartiny hraniat v bankovskih hranilischah, cto stoit, i izgotavlivaiut kopii dli steny, chto toze stoit.

Storage paintings worth $ 3-5 a day. in the year it turns out $ 1500 if work is expensive and costs more than $ 1 million, these costs are insignificant.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

4. Strahovka - ne soglasen, v etom sluchae pri pozare i navodnenii nichego ne ostanetsia.

Fire can be insured - a cheap price. flood??? Well this is a quite strange. in general, collections in the homes are not insured.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

5. Horoshaia kollektsiia privlekaet chastnogo kuratora ili registratora - eto stoit.

under serious collection - this is not high costs. If there is a collection of small and inexpensive work, the curator and, moreover, the registrar is not required.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

6. Katalogizatsiia kollektsii ne besplatna.

Let's start with that, what is needed cataloging? usually when it is done, the aim pursued promotion and PR collections, including for resale. In this case, the costs are justified, and very well compensated.

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Сообщение от AlexanderG

Istoriia takogo ne pokazyvaet.

Shows. Compare prices for 70-80's and today.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Pod rukoi net, a iskat 'seichas ne hochu. LCR znaet, Kirill toze.

If you do not remember them, then why bring as proof of this argument? It seems this little known minor artists, once you do not remember them.

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Сообщение от Veronic

In general, the world graphics and watercolor are much worse than oil bought and sold,

Nevertheless, the majority of sold works in the world - this schedule, rather than oil. I do not deny that the schedule requires special storage, and not as expensive, but
1. it is available
2. it can buy a large number of people - "liquidity is another question.
3. Graphics pulled over the rising cost of painting on a particular artist

[mihailovoh]

Cyril Syzransky,
Kiril.Vy perfectly understand what I govoryu.U numizmanov.faleristov and tp.traditsionno developed secondary market, and even in the Soviet Union was developed. obrazovaniya.zhudozhestvennogo taste is not a material trebuetsya.blago Help mnogo.lyuboy boy starts with many sick kolektsionirovaniem.S Age prioretety changed some .. (although fakes are not less than kolektsionerov painting) Care in auctions 80-90 percent lotov.Lyuboy starts with a boy, and many sick kollektsionirovaniem.ne less important content to our kvartirah.a just scatter prices from 1TF-up lemons (govryu just about perfect condition) and the sale of collections.

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Сообщение от Meister

Only unscrupulous dealers in Russia, such interest in the world is 10 percent of the mediator%.

Dealer not only%broker, a dealer may have to sell their expensive at times!

Сообщение от Meister

restoration is specific money, and does not depend on the value of the picture, but from the complexity of the work.

That's right. Prices restoration in Russia do not depend on the price. I at least those costs, the price (what? Restorer knows the price? "Inbox" for customer restoration and anticipated restoration after the "output"?) May not know.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Meister

about the war is not true. During the second world people are selling everything, but kept under the beds, Renoir and Monet, because we knew that they could always sell.

Pro war is the truth, in particular, in the USSR. It was during the war, one of the now very well known and respected collectors formed a small collection of Dutch, bought up literally for a loaf of bread. Subsequently, the Dutch have been sold, presumably with a very decent broth, and the collector has to collect different kind of art.

Сообщение от Meister

Goncharova and Lanskoy - will grow, it is an indisputable fact, the test of time.

I think the names are very different order: Goncharova - the museum world-class artists (she was his relatively recent enough to inquire, when Western museums removed her work from the store and hung in the permanent collection), it is quite possible to imagine that the works Goncharova bought and nerossiyskimi will be bought by collectors and museums.

Lanskoy general nemuzeyny artist and it is unlikely they will ever be - if the Western museums would like to have it, it would already have bought, not too expensive and worth it, and in museums in Russia has no money, and if so, what they some others are not very clear prioritety.Tak that can say that it is quoted almost exclusively on Russia's market.
This is important to realize, as the liquidity of works of these artists are quite different.
That's me to the fact that making the right choice, maybe not as easy as it seems

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Meister

AlexanderG,
I do not vedus of scandals, I'm not interested.

Togda i vyrazaites normal'no, bez obvinenii.


Restoration is the specific money, and does not depend on the value of the picture, but from the complexity of the work.


Ochen 'daze zavisit. Bolee togo, zavisit ot togo, platit kollektsioner ili strahovaia kompaniia. Takimi dogovorami zanimaius' lichno mnogo let.


sell through galleries (in Russia there is little trade, but they already have). Only unscrupulous dealers in Russia, such interest in the world the percentage of the mediator is 10%.

V kakom mire? Ia v Au ne znaiu ni odnogo dillera, kotoryi by rabotal za 10%, da i sam ne rabotaiu za eto.


Storage paintings worth $ 3-5 a day. in the year it turns out $ 1500 if work is expensive and costs more than $ 1 million, these costs are insignificant.

A za piat '- 10 let? Investitsii v art dolgosrochny.


Fire can be insured - a cheap price. flood??? Well this is a quite strange. in general, collections in the homes are not insured.

Togda v sluchae problem, kartiny polnost'iu teriaiutsia. A stoimost 'opiat' na 10 let umnozte.


under serious collection - this is not high costs. If there is a collection of small and inexpensive work

To i investitsionnyi potentsial nevelik.

 a curator and, moreover, the registrar is not required.

No vy ze govorite o millionnikah?




Let's start with that, what is needed cataloging? usually when it is done, the aim pursued promotion and PR collections, including for resale. In this case, the costs are justified, and very well compensated.

Ne obiazatel'no, takie kollektsii ostaiutsia v istorii i investitsiiami ne iavliaiutsia.


Shows. Compare prices for 70-80's and today.

Daleko ne vse tseny vyshli na uroven '80-h. Posle padeniia rynka.


If you do not remember them, then why bring as proof of this argument? It seems this little known minor artists, once you do not remember them.

U menia na imena net pamiati. A v literature v dannyi moment net vremeni ryt'sia.

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Nevertheless, the majority of sold works in the world - this schedule, rather than oil.

Kolichestvenno - da. Toiot toze bol'she prodaiotsia, chem maibahov.

I do not deny that the schedule requires special storage, and not as expensive, but
1. it is available
2. it can buy a large number of people - "liquidity is another question.
3. Graphics pulled over the rising cost of painting on a particular artist

Srok zizni gorazdo men'she, chem u masla ili tempery.

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Сообщение от mihailovoh

You know perfectly well what I mean.

No, I do not understand.
Market numismatic "dipped" thoroughly. Optimists are called "50%", in reality, and more, I presume.
Also in Faliro, if not more. There are positions that are simply impossible to sell. Offers weight, are "bundles".

Сообщение от mihailovoh

good reference a material lot.

In-in, two or three years ago by this reference aterialam "new collectors" had bought at the peak of all, and in that year, when they all rushed to "restore his" proved that they have everything! all Imagine !!!-" fufel "," bullshit "and so forth (podstavte own words from his liksikona).
For the price of the metal give now.
You like living on another planet or in 2007, the year or the summer of 2008-th, the last "sweet" ...
All, "Honey" is no more.
bear likes honey!
Why? Who would understand? (c)

just yet about the icons do not, I beg of you ...
The most expensive icon of all that has ever officially sold in Russia, and an example of one of the most expensive auction sales in the world, is sold in the beginning of 2007 at the Gelos icon "Nicola in the Life" of the late XV century. 7 000 000 ($ 274 000).