In that invest beginner?

[Meister]

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Kakoi rynok tsennyh bumag vy imeete v vidu? Rossiiskii ili mirovoi?

I mean the world. about Russia, I generally keep silent. Market c /b - for the most part the market speculators. To participate in the daily auctions, you need a lot of time + skills and ability to handle massive amounts of information. If you invest in n /w and not have time to pull out in time, you can generally get very serzno. Course, the Central Bank can earn more than the art. But the risks are incomparably high.

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Ia v dannoe vremia zanimaius' tol'ko Avstraliiskim rynkom. No, skazem, Microsoft, Coca-Cola, BP zvuchat vpolne ubeditel'no.

Ok, the next Microsoft operating system would be extremely unfortunate, Coca-Cola doctors finally recognize the danger to the health drink, and BP announced that one of the largest deposits can not be claimed for development. And now the question: what will happen to the shares of these companies?

Сообщение от AlexanderG

Konechno budut, no kakih? Pribyl 's nih vozmozna tol'ko v sluchae prodazi.
Soderzanie, strahovanie, konsrvatsiia, i pr. , Ne schitaia protsenta prodavtsa zaberut l '; vinuiu doliu pribyli, esli ne bol'she.
Ni o kakom pokvartal'nom dohode rechi net, perekreditovat'sia pod nih prakticheski ne vozmozno. Imenno poetomu ia utverzdaiu, chto art ne iavliaetsia sravnimym instrumentom.

The content of works of art, just not so expensive, do not be misled. And restoration, and conservation - not so expensive operation, and paintings hanging at home no fear. Percentage of the seller is usually 10%, all the rest - the wrong choice of the seller. transaction costs can not eat the lion's share of the profits (if it is, of course, does not work the cost in 1000 dollars)

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Сообщение от AlexanderG

A vy ne dumali o bezvozvratnoi potere kartiny?

Do sih por nikto ubeditel'no ne dokazal investitsionnoi tsennosti iskusstva, v to vremia, kak rynok ts /b ziviot davno.

What does "loss pattern"? Art market, too, has lived for more than half a century, and history shows that prices keep rising.

TE="AlexanderG; 903431"] A name even one of the artist, who for a long time is decent money, and then again and turned into a down (again, we are not discussing contemporary art).
Oni uze byli nazvany v predyduschih temah. No takih ne malo. [/QUOTE]

yet, name at least two names. I unfortunately missed, not seen.

[mihailovoh]

Meister,
Money invested in shares can be converted into cash immediately, even with vygryshem.hot loss. Money invested in forging net.vlozhennye in the fashionable artist through the years with hardly vygryshem .. During the war, or after it (and even in the years 1991-95) painting was worth a penny.
Goncharova.Lanskoy and so on. it's not for a beginner is to professionala.i not a fact. that prices will rise as well. russkih.u new demand which is nothing but money and ambition are not the best dvigatel.Nuzhna culture and traditsii.kotoryh yet. It is always plunge is the law for anyone else doing imitations. cause the signature of more expensive avtora.podmeny a ready ekspertizy.razduvanie prices. (work bought at the Gelos and others you will see other several times more, almost immediately, and they stand for years, or when alone. Two of the shoot and all the more silence)
The idea of direct selling artists with a forum kollktsioneram. (Not the dealer for resale) no support even in the form oprosa.Hotya uveren.chto many would have been nice. That his works would have been possible in more collections. This investment is not in dengi.a name and viewer.

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Сообщение от mihailovoh

It is always plunge

So beginner and the market p /b-plunge will not find it.

[Veronic]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

So beginner and the market p /b-plunge will not find it.

why talk about the initial investment in 1000-3000 dollars in antiques that the securities market in gold that the real estate list goes ....)))) is not investment. I'd rather just buy myself something more for the soul than to preserve and increase capital.

1000-3000 dollars. no investment capital.

[Meister]

Сообщение от mihailovoh

Money invested in shares can be converted into cash immediately, even with vygryshem.hot loss. Money invested in forging net.vlozhennye in the fashionable artist through the years with hardly vygryshem .. During the war, or after it (and even in the years 1991-95) painting was worth a penny.

Counterfeits - this is indeed a problem, but there are many opportunities to buy 100%tested things, and if (with beginners) is the uncertainty in the work, you should immediately purchase of refuse. About contemporary art I have repeatedly written that I do not discuss them, because it is really a lottery.
About the war is not true. During the second world people are selling everything, but kept under the beds, Renoir and Monet, because we knew that they could always sell.

Сообщение от mihailovoh

Goncharova.Lanskoy and so on. it's not for a beginner is to professionala.i not a fact. that prices will rise as well. russkih.u new demand which is nothing but money and ambition are not the best dvigatel.Nuzhna culture and traditsii.kotoryh yet. It is always plunge is the law for anyone else doing imitations. cause the signature of more expensive avtora.podmeny a ready ekspertizy.razduvanie prices. (work bought at the Gelos and others you will see other several times more, almost immediately, and they stand for years, or when alone. Two of the shoot and all the more silence)

You are very difficult because of the punctuation to read and understand.
Goncharova and Lanskoy - will grow, it is an indisputable fact, proven. And the new Russian there is absolutely nothing to do with, they just bought a Aivazovsky, or contemporary artists. Culture and traditions in our country is and always will be. Notice how much more it became interesting professional exhibitions in Moscow.
For beginners should contact the professionals who value their reputation and do not try to cut the money, how many "recent" art dealers who used "shoes sold, heard about the money on the art market and ran it into account here for free. do not buy a job, just seeing the name of the artist. Understand the provenance, appraisal, etc., or, again, refer to Understanding the people.

Сообщение от mihailovoh

The idea of direct selling artists with a forum kollktsioneram. (Not the dealer for resale) no support even in a survey.

contemporary art - such a thing))))

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Сообщение от Veronic

why talk about the initial investment in 1000-3000 dollars in antiques that the securities market in gold that the property list goes ....)))) is not investment.

buy graphics first names. It is available, strong growth may not be, but the money will be securely stored.

[Veronic]

Сообщение от Meister

buy graphics first names. It is available, strong growth may not be, but the money will be securely stored.

Well, first we must love this very graphic, but if a man painting like that? And for the reliable preservation of money they can then do not spend. Let them lie. And because such gestures .... ,.... bought, kept at home, and then the hard sell and simply returned the money (even if it found a buyer quickly).

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от Meister

Ok, the next Microsoft operating system would be extremely unfortunate, Coca-Cola doctors finally recognize the danger to the health drink, and BP announced that one of the largest deposits can not be claimed for development. And now the question: what will happen to the shares of these companies?

Da nichego strashnogo ne sluchitsia, upadut v tsene, mozno budet horosho prikupit '.


The content of works of art, just not so expensive, do not be misled. And restoration, and conservation - not so expensive operation, and paintings hanging at home no fear. Percentage of the seller is usually 10%, all the rest - the wrong choice of the seller. transaction costs can not eat the lion's share of the profits (if it is, of course, does not work the cost in 1000 dollars)

Osoboe vnimanie hochu udelit 'fraze [COLOR="black"]do not have to mislead
Ia nikogo i nikogda ne vvozu v zabluzdenie. Esli by hotel s vami pobodat'sia, to ustroil by skandal, tak, kak eto fraza mozet byt 'istolkovana, kak obvinenie vo lzi. Bud'te ostorozny.

Da vsio vy skazali pravil'no dlia $ 50 dollarovyh kartin.

1. Za restavratsiiu chasto berut 10-15%ot stoimosti kartiny, inogda bol'she. Vo mnogih muzeiuh i chastnyh kollektsiiah eto osnovnoi rashod.
2. Daze v auktsionnyh domah%prodavtsa vyshe, au dillera on mozet dostigat '50%.
3. Osobo dorogie kartiny hraniat v bankovskih hranilischah, cto stoit, i izgotavlivaiut kopii dli steny, chto toze stoit.
4. Strahovka - ne soglasen, v etom sluchae pri pozare i navodnenii nichego ne ostanetsia.
5. Horoshaia kollektsiia privlekaet chastnogo kuratora ili registratora - eto stoit.
6. Katalogizatsiia kollektsii ne besplatna.

V obsche mogu prodolzit 'eschio na paru stranits.

What does "loss pattern"? Art market, too, has lived for more than half a century, and history shows that prices keep rising.

Istoriia takogo ne pokazyvaet.

TE="AlexanderG; 903431"]A name even one of the artist, who for a long time is decent money, and then again and turned into a down (again, we are not discussing contemporary art).
Oni uze byli nazvany v predyduschih temah. No takih ne malo.

Pod rukoi net, a iskat 'seichas ne hochu. LCR znaet, Kirill toze.

yet, name at least two names. I unfortunately missed, not seen. [/QUOTE]

Gotov prodolzit'.

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Сообщение от Meister

During the second world people are selling everything, but kept under the beds, Renoir and Monet, because we knew that they could always sell.

This makes it possible to the war immediately to mind the process of returning the works of art confiscated during the Nazi era.
Did people in what to invest. And the Nazis understood the value of these things.
Created even public organization "The Conference on Jewish Property Claims Against Germany" ( "Claims Conference"), for as it was massively.
There is something to think about.

[mihailovoh]

Cyril Syzransky,
On the stock market a different psychology-.Golubye chips are growing slowly (=level of deposits divided into different assets) and all ischat ideas and sluhi.komu want a lot of money. That shot and this vletayut.tk.prfessionaly already beyond removing marzhu.Tam money just a tool-air.
 Collectibles-Art is for the soul and for lyudey.Likvidnost and rising prices monet.nagrad.oruzhiya and even the icons at times exceeds the market and in the tens to hundreds of times more.

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Сообщение от mihailovoh

The liquidity and price increases monet.nagrad.oruzhiya and even the icons at times greater than the market and in the tens to hundreds of times more.

This phrase is not understood.
What "many times over? "The market is in the tens to hundreds of times more" what?