Marianne Verevkina (1860-1938)

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Сообщение от Wladzislaw

Aristocratic - still somewhat exaggerated, they are the nobles of Moscow (formerly Orel) lips.

And for me, so it is fitting that in this context "aristocracy" --
 hereditary elite or class of nobility. As the largest societies dosovremennyh ruling or the ruling classes. Nobles in RI such class and is.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

Aristocratic - still somewhat exaggerated, they are the nobles of Moscow (formerly Orel) lips. But a prominent position, my father died-General of Infantry (his biography), grandfather - Lieutenant-General (his biography) . Mother - Elizabeth Daragan (1834-1883). The artist, apparently, was baptized as Mariamna, the name changed to Western style.

Not that I gave this question a lot of values (I already said that titles are needed for those who have no talent), but did not must be treated with such confidence in the wiki - information there is often flawed, and even when it is true, it happens that it is incomplete. His father was Baron Verevkina. If you are the daughter of Baron nalzya called aristocrat, we would like to see who is for you is to know?

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Thanks, Liana! Very interesting. Liked works in 1910, later painting becomes a Verevkina a parent too, to my taste.
Interestingly, this motif-way road, dynamic, building and track and plot. He pursued her right - repeated from work to work. Energetic, visible, was a woman
These, early good

[Ninni]

I really liked her work.
Is it something important, a bit painful .... thanks

[Wladzislaw]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

And for me, so it is fitting that in this context "aristocracy"-hereditary elite or class of nobility.
  As the largest societies dosovremennyh ruling or the ruling classes. Nobles in RI such class and is.

Nobles - it is the nobility and the aristocracy - it is titled nobility. That is, the princes - this is the nobility, but let's say, a certain colonel - not an aristocrat.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

And for me, so it is fitting that in this context "aristocracy"-hereditary elite or class of nobility.
  As the largest societies dosovremennyh ruling or the ruling classes. Nobles in RI such class and is.

The message above (#11) argues that the nobility Russia Empire was not the aristocracy. From a scientific point of view it is absolutely untrue. As an explanation of its position invite all stakeholders a forum to read an article from the encyclopedia of Brockhaus and Efron:


The aristocracy (Greek) - such a republican form of government in which the supreme power lies solely in the hands of the privileged upper classes, who rule, either alone or with the assistance of representatives of other classes. She is opposed to democracy, ie republic, in which the Sovereign power recognized as belonging to all or most citizens. At the base A.lezhit idea that the state should manage only selected the best minds. But the real question about this Chosen is a different resolution, in some A. determining principle is the nobility of origin, the other military valor, the highest intellectual development, religious or moral superiority, finally, also the size and type of property. However, in most of the aristocracy a few of these factors, or all of them together combine for determining eligibility for state power. In addition to the state form, AA is also called the highest aristocratic classes. Belonging to them may be subject to birth and inheritance of certain real estate (aristocracy, to know in the narrow sense), or whether it relates to the acquisition of special, is suggested by its terms (cash and bureaucrats aristocracy, noblessefinanciere, noblesse de la robe), or, finally, achieved election. By the last race belonged to the people's aristocracy of ancient Rome. The tribal and landed aristocracy had reached his full development in the feudal organization of the new European society, who came to replace the ancient civilization in the fight against this medieval AG has grown and strengthened the principle of the modern monarchy. Resolute, dealt a mortal blow to the great French Revolution, beginning the dominance of monetary A. approving now its dominion throughout Europe gosudarstvah.Suschnost, aristocratic principle was that the rule should have the best people and led him to three important consequences. The first is that even in nerespublikanskih states, ie in the monarchy, aristocratic elements involved, if not directly in the possession of supreme authority, in its origin, and, moreover, virtually everywhere, but because of public-legal authority in the so-called. representative monarchies. Last carried out mainly in the form of the upper chambers, but the lower chamber, or House of Representatives, as well as in general all the people's representation, in turn, also rest on the aristocratic principle. The second implication is that the widest democracy is not only suffers in his aristocratic elements, but in reality there is nothing more than an extended GA, so that both are relative concepts, and represent only different degrees of development of one and the same state forms of the the same defining the start. Finally, the third consequence is that all generated within the state of public unions, political, social and even religious, as well as the international union of States, everywhere appears aristocratic principle.


http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/brokgauz/3266

[Wladzislaw]

Сообщение от LCR

His father was Baron Verevkina.

He is as the Baron, as you .

Is an old noble untitled genus.

[LCR]

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

It is the same Baron, as you .

Is an old noble untitledgenus.

No. I, with your permission, not Baroness (and do not pretend, and feels excluded). But Mr. Veryovkin was a real Baron.
Look at the sources, more credible than this poor little dvoechnitsa Vicki, I have already told you

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Сообщение от Tjutchev

The message above (#11) argues that the nobility Russia Empire was not the aristocracy. From a scientific point of view it is absolutely untrue. As an explanation of its position invite all stakeholders a forum to read an article from the encyclopedia of Brockhaus and Efron:

Learn to read the message above (#11) ", a connoisseur of" aristocracy ".

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от Wladzislaw

nobles - it is the nobility and the aristocracy - it is titled nobility. That is, the princes - this is the nobility, but let's say, a certain colonel - not an aristocrat.

And what is the actual difference (in the context of the topic)?