How to unleash the artist

[DSF]

Сообщение от Seriy

picture emerges when it is near the viewer, it occurs to him, the viewer, his head .. If the viewer is not a piece of linen smeared pigment in oil.

I would have replaced the word "spectator" to the word "artist". Remembering the lines of Pushkin: "and I'll be nice, until in the sublunary world will live at least one piit. Not just a reader of poetry, namely, the poet, who alone can truly appreciate poetry.
   The existence of art outside the art market, and without in its present state is not only possible, it is so and there was much of historical time. Art Market has appeared recently, only some two or three hundred years ago. And it is not clear what will happen to this market over 100 years. But the painting will not go anywhere, because artists create God or Nature, as someone more like it.
In the present situation is quite the artist can create works of art being out of the market, if he has another source of income. Vermeer wrote two small paintings in a year and give away to your friends. He was out of the market. Try to buy it now ... you can only steal. He again out of the market.
Therefore the question of the relationship of the market and the artist, is a matter of personal will of the artist.

[Seriy]

Сообщение от Remi

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And unclear here? The picture is written (a work of art is created) in the calculation that was the modern viewer.
Tsar Ivan kills his son Ivan - tragic picture of meaningful ... but to band member Mumba-Yumba from Equatorial Gvinenii - it is simply nonsense to vegetable oil, no bananas or green monkeys.
So beautiful paintings by Picasso in the 20 th century, and in 19-m is not something that would be laughed ...
Language of images changes along with society, so there is always a cast of a society in which the artist lived and images from the same draw.

[AlexanderG]

Сообщение от DSF

  

Sovershenno verno. Eto odna is osnovnyh idei, k kotoroi mnogie dolzny priiti, dlia ponimaniia rynka.

Ia daze etu tsitatu perenesu v temu "ob udovol'stviiah".

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The existence of art outside the art market, and without in its present state is not only possible, it is so and there was much of historical time. Art Market has appeared recently, only some two or three hundred years ago. And it is not clear what will happen to this market over 100 years. But the painting will not go anywhere, because artists create God or Nature, as someone more like it.

Tsitata ne vkleilas'.

[iside]

Сообщение от Seriy

The picture is written (a work of art is created) in the expectation that the modern, the viewer

Seriy,

I'd rather you did not read at all, because almost every Your message gives me the desire to join with you in the dispute.

I think that the picture (as the possible work of art) are just two cases. 1 case - when a person comes to the artist and says: Draw a portrait of his wife (razrisuy walls of the church, playing back story from the Bible, draw a certain moment in history), 2 case - when an artist has an idea, have an image, a thought, and he tries to express through painting.

In the second case, the artist will still see if someone is his masterpiece, buy it and for how much, and I think that such works more chance to get into the category of art. In the first case, already supports the idea of the customer, but in the history of many examples of custom work and turned into masterpieces.

The case that you describe, namely the creation of paintings by some average fashion trends + criteria analysis of sales by auction of contemporary art in the calculation of Modern Viewers - is not art, it's business. It's not bad, it's just another field of activity.

Just as IKEA sells posters and analyzes, for example: last year, mostly selling posters with black-and-white images of the city, and colored posters of tropical beaches are not sold at all - the conclusion: do not print the beaches, increase print b /w cities.

Сообщение от Seriy

but for a member of the tribe Mumba-Yumba from Equatorial Gvinenii - it is simply nonsense to vegetable oil, no bananas or green monkey

And you tried to communicate with a member of the tribe?

[ikoku]

Сообщение от Seriy

Tsar Ivan kills his son Ivan - tragic picture of meaningful ... but to band member Mumba-Yumba from Equatorial Gvinenii - it is simply nonsense to vegetable oil, no bananas or green monkeys.

Seriy, in Equatorial Guinea is no such tribe

[Seriy]

no words - we speak different languages.

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от ikoku

Seriy, in Equatorial Guinea is no such tribe

It has long since well-known (?) Metaphor ...(" Mumba-Yumba ") in my opinion ..

[ikoku]

It has long since well-known (?) Metaphor ...(" Mumba-Yumba ") in my opinion .. [/QUOTE]

NATA NOVA, thanks, that prompted me silly

[NATA NOVA]

Сообщение от ikoku

NATA NOVA, thanks, that prompted me silly

ikoku, carry on your health! (Rada try!)

[Семен Семенович]

Сообщение от Seriy

The picture emerges when it is near the viewer, it occurs to him, the viewer, his head .. If the viewer is not a piece of linen smeared pigment in oil.

This is the criteria for "true-kontemporalnogo" ... It can spread butter and other materials. And you can generally leave a blank canvas - for the "producer" to think out all the audience (who wants to come look at the is).